THE ASSUMPTION OF MARY: Condemned as Heretical by 2 Popes in the 5th and 6th Centuries

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[Elsie]

You'll have to ask him why he dodged it, though I'm sure I know why.

Mindreading again?

[Elsie]

(You don't have to dodge that question ever again Elsie.)

See there; you CAN post stuff without having to play off of my words.

Good for you!

Mary is dead.

[Elsie]

Did that remark help you feel smart?

I have no idea what is going thru his head; but the remark DID, IMHO, make him look smug.

[boatbums]

Almost like clockwork! I was wondering how long it would take for Purgatory to pop up in the thread.

Y'all wonder why the same arguments keep on being rehashed? It's because whatever "evidence" is brought up to prove yet another Roman Catholic invented dogma they proclaim is binding upon all of Christendom it never passes the REAL test understood and utilized by Christian apologists going back to the start...it cannot be proved by God's word. ONLY the Word of God shall establish articles of faith and no one else, not even an angel.

There IS no Scriptural proof for Purgatory - and plenty that teaches such an idea is against Scripture. Slipping in a questionable passage from an Apocryphal book - questionable because it doesn't really say what is claimed it does - and a few "snippets" of out-of-context passages that, when studied fully, actually shatter such a foolish idea, is FAR from the criteria required to assert something is a Christian tenet. Martin Luther rightfully stated:

[P]urgatory is the greatest falsehood, because it is based on ungodliness and unbelief; for they deny that faith saves, and they maintain that satisfaction for sins is the cause of salvation. Therefore he who is in purgatory is in hell itself; for these are his thoughts: “I am a sinner and must render satisfaction for my sins; therefore I shall make a will and shall bequeath a definite amount of money for building churches and for buying prayers and sacrifices for the dead by the monks and priests.” Such people die in a faith in works and have no knowledge of Christ. Indeed, they hate Him. We die in faith in Christ, who died for our sins and rendered satisfaction for us. He is my Bosom, my Paradise, my Comfort, and my Hope. [Luther, M. (1999, c1964). Vol. 4: Luther's works, vol. 4 : Lectures on Genesis: Chapters 21-25 (J. J. Pelikan, H. C. Oswald and H. T. Lehmann, Ed.). Luther's Works (4:315). Saint Louis: Concordia Publishing House].

[WVKayaker]

So mortal sin versus non-mortal as specified in the Bible does not signify "gradation of sin" to you?

Where's the list?- Elsie

Sin is properly defined as "missing the mark". theist analogy is that of a bullseye target., with the center bullseye representing the perfect Will of God. Anything outside that bullseye is sin, "missing the mark". It's not about "right" or "wrong", and certainly doesn't come in degrees or categories.

It is simple. God's Will or our will. If it is of God, it is perfect, if from our will, it is sin! The wages of sin is death! Faith in Christ's sacrifice grants us immunity from our mortal state and forgiveness of any sin or transgression . With God, all things are possible.

[Elsie]

High fives for EVERYONE!

I’ll buy this round!

[caww]

Bailey's with a splash of coke!... Thank you!

[antceecee]

; )

[boatbums]

"She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth." (Rev. 12:2)

Is this talking about Mary?

[Elsie]

2 Maccabees 12:46 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

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OOps!

Luke 16:19-31

1 Jesus told his disciples:

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¹⁹ “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. ²⁰ At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores ²¹ and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

²² “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. ²³ In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. ²⁴ So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

²⁵ “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. ²⁶ And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

²⁷ “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, ²⁸ for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

²⁹ “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

³⁰ “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

³¹ “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

 

 

Apparently JESUS didn't know that a person can get prayed out of....

[mlizzy]

So, in your Roman Catholic economy, the Holy Spirit is worthless in the fight against sin in our personal lives?

Before I sit down at the computer and plug into any social media site where I'm going to type, I call upon the Holy Spirit. I usually don't comment until after I've been to daily Mass, where I've received the precious Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ. I also jog with our dogs before I get online [most] every day, and while doing so, I recite at least one mystery of the rosary, sometimes two. You can't get too much of Jesus, imo. :)

[Elsie]

Well, if it goes without saying that God does have the power enable Mary and the other saints to hear all those prayers,

IF?

They're all DEAD; Jim!

[caww]

Generally the case for many catholics when in discussions on matters of religion, faith and church....therefore they miss the pleasure of enjoying the one trying to reach them.

[antceecee]

Hope you have a wonderful evening. God bless...

[Elsie]

Lord, they ain’t with US!

Call down lightning and ZAP them!!!

[Elsie]

There were seven churches mentioned in Revelation.

All Catholic to hear it told.

There was NO unity between them; so; a rational person just HAS to ask, “Where is this fictional ONE church?”

[ronnietherocket3]

Then you chose not to read it or didn't believe what was posted.

Can you please point me to which post (or posts) have established how the woman in Rev. 12 is not Mary.

[caww]

I always found it interesting, in that passage, that he had memories and awareness of his family....the awareness of all his body senses...and a voice.

[mlizzy]

Hope you have a wonderful evening. God bless...

Thank you antceecee! God be with you too. :)