Millennial Series: Part 14: The Abrahamic Covenant and Premillennialism

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[one Lord one faith one baptism]

know nothings are called know nothings for a reason.

[delchiante]

Those New Moons, Sabbaths and Feast were the appointed times YHWH gave Israel for worship..

Ezekiel and Isaiah plainly state that New Moons And Sabbaths will be around awhile in the Kingdom.

They are shadows and rehearsals now.. and they point exactly to the Messiah of Israel and the Kingdom.

Which is kind of the point as they also can point away from what Christendom teaches and worships from..

Those New Moons, sabbaths and feasts don’t point to the greco roman latin savior or the greco roman latin church that has been a vessel to hide those worship days He gave Israel in Torah..

So Torah that became flesh has been morphed into a greco roman latin savior with counterfeit birthday, death day and resurrection day.

That is an awful lot of counterfeits to believe in and worship from to still be considered a bride..

Central part of Revelation is about worship..

Who, what and when one worships..

we see it in chapter 13...
The first four commandments are actually highlighted as something the beast will get people to break..

That isn’t some future event.. it is happening today... and it can start with what some call holy and what Scripture calla holy.

To be fair, one cannot even find His Sabbath with just the sun., it takes that moon up in the sky too. But the world’s pope gregory calendar is sun based standard the world runs on...

That is a lot of greco roman latin influence on the world..prophectic maybe as we near the end.

People may read revelation differently...or they dont see the world as one big counterfeit..

Bottom line, maybe the greco roman latin jesus is just a counterfeit.. a pseudo Christ.. an in place of Christ or instead of messiah..

The New Moons, Sabbaths and Feasts are just some confirmation markers one can see where Torah really became flesh and dwelt among us..

And see how flimsy those greco roman latin counterfeits don’t stack up to the genuine..

It is the ultimate prove all things..

And for folks who don’t want their world rocked , christmas and easter and saturday or sunday sabbath days are for them..

And it is by His Grace that I have never been more free and less enslaved to the world..
Tomorrow is a weekly Sabbath day on our Heavenly Father’s calendar.. the world calls it Woden’s Day and more than likely a regular work day..
Not sure what Wooden did to deserve a day every week but maybe somebody can ask the folks in Rome about their calendar.

[redleghunter]

I would not dismiss taking a hard look at the types and shadows as Messiah fulfilled the spring festivals literally and completely. We should expect that at the second advent He will do so with the other festivals...literal fulfillment.

On another note, please understand the other posters pinged to this post are not of the same cloth of the poster you have been debating. They believe the shed royal Blood of Yeshua HaMashiach cleanses all sins.

Paul tells the Colossians in chapter 2 this:

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.(LEB)

So for those who do follow such out of love and obedience to God, we should respect such.

[roamer_1]

I would not dismiss taking a hard look at the types and shadows as Messiah fulfilled the spring festivals literally and completely. We should expect that at the second advent He will do so with the other festivals...literal fulfillment.

In fact, the 'moedim' (Holy Days)... the word in Hebrew means something very close to 'rehearsals', rather than the definition you and I would normally assume. They are not without prophetic value. They are about 'stuff that is going to happen'. You quoted Paul in Col 2 where He says (years after the ascension) that these are 'shadows of good things to come. If it is 'to come', Paul can hardly mean to ignore them, as Christianity plainly does... (And I dare say that I and my fellows read Col 2 much differently than y'all do).

Rather, this same Paul says to the Thessalonians:

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

(e-Sword:KJV)

These 'Times and Seasons' ARE the moedim - The Holy Days of YHWH, to include the Jubilees. And Paul says that the Thessalonians need not be told - They already KNOW. And THAT they know, is the difference between light and darkness - Again, MANY years after the Ascension.

So unless you, or one of our FRiends can show me that these Holy days and seasons have reached their perfect and exactingly incremental fulfillment (beyond the ascension, mind you), which *none* will be able to do, I will remain obliged to pay very close attention to what YHWH has intended.

[roamer_1]

BTW, I don't know that the others will show up - this sunset marks the beginning of Yom Teruah, and the high sabbath has commenced. But it might be a moment of realization for all y'all, reading here - Most of you were probably unaware that today was anything special. Maybe it would be good to mark the day, and study the themes and rituals of this day, and ponder their significance... Wonder which things are yet to come for this day.

Here is Jim Staley talking about it. He is Two-House Messianic, but pretty easy for all Christians to listen to. poke here

[delchiante]

My faith is the finished work in the Messiah of Israel, my savior, Yahshua.. English Joshua works too.
There are no works that can save us..

but, in observing His calendar and rejecting the pope gregory calendar, I have been blessed to see what is counterfeit and what is genuine and what one has their ‘faith’ in could be a very troubling revelation for believers like it was for me..

and what has happened is the Torah has been erased out of the Savior..

Torah that became flesh and dwelt among us is exactly what happened..

Something a christian could skim over while reading is when Israel was commanded to circumcise their boys on the 8th day- but everything even circumcision points to their Messiah.

That 8th day means nothing to the pope gregory calendar. It means nothing to the Jewish calculate calendars..
But to the calendar template He details in Ezekiel 46, that 8th day is a Sabbath every month (and if one is born on a New Moon Day, they get circumcised on a Sabbath)

new Moon day- day 1
Six work days- days 2-7
Seventh day sabbath (8th day of month)

If one ignores the new moon day then they ignore many scriptures that detail that day. That is exactly what happens with the pope gregory calendar and nothing conforms one to the world more than they way the world tells time...

So what is described in revelation 12? A new Moon day. I don’t know if because I am a brilliant astronomer. I found an application that showed the course of the sun,moon stars and planets in the sky’s movement and match it up with what I was observing with His calendar. He will teach us all things is we ask, seek and knock..

People have struggled with what a New Moon is-invisible, crescent, full..

Scripture confirms it if we let it all point to Him..

The Messiah, according to that biblical sign, was born on the 1st day of the 6th month.
That means nothing on the pope Gregory calendar.
But on His calendar, Torah became flesh jumps out at us.

That sign in the sky represented the 6th month if the Ram/Lamb sign in the sky represented the Passover month.

It would mean that the Messiah was born on an Appointed day (New Moon day), circumcised on the 8th day ( weekly Sabbath according to Ezekiel’s template)

It would also mean that Miriam was unclean for 40 days and then the Messiah was dedicated in the temple.
40 days from the 1st day of the 6th month is the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, the 10th day of the 7th month.

Is it possible that the bride can know all these things? Or would it surprise believers that Torah was fulfilled spiritually and literally?

We have a picture of the next major event as the Messiah’s life as His baptism.
We have a note that He was 30. We also have after the baptism the story of 40 days of purification where He was tempted.
Is it out of the realm of possibility He was baptized on an appointed day (New Moon Day- His 30th birthday) and the 40 days is a shadow from His mother’s purification ?

We know the story of His death, burial and resurrection all occuring on Feasts Days and Sabbaths, appointed days of the 14th, 15th and 16th days of His first month.

Christendom has decemeber 25 and good Friya goddess and easter sun’s day as their holy days for Jesus.

Let me ask a pointed question,, is it possible that the Greco roman Latin Jesus is different than the Messiah of Israel, Torah that became flesh and dwelt among us, because he reflects none of those appointed days in Torah?

Where is one’s faith? The church teachings and practices? If Jesus is a counterfeit of the genuine, where does one go to redeem a counterfeit? What does it say about worshipping falsely?

I don’t believe observing these days will save a soul.. but not knowing them or testing and proving all things including the core of one’s faith, may lead one to worship the beast, and maybe even defend the enemy, not in some future date but today...

I am no longer confident that the Jesus taught and worshipped in christian churches is the real, genuine Messiah..

And we all meet Him as Jesus.. but He hasn’t let me stay there. Praise Yah!

The days of saturday, sunday , december 25, good friya day and easter snday are not truth..
I don’t say it to be a troll or to get people riled up.. I say it because they are not biblical. And it may cause one to worship the wrong savior, the fake one..

Worship and proper worship is a rather big topic in the last book of Revelation.. about 25 times a form of that word is used...

I worry about bible believers believing a false premise and then arguing from there..
The false premise being that the greco roman latin mother church represents anything regarding the True Messiah of Israel. The only part they can declare truth with is the actual words, but counterfeit bills aren’t going to have misspellings or foreign words on their face either.

And if she doesn’t, neither does her daughters.
but those daughters argue like she does have a standing.

And without knowing all that He has led me to and taught me, I would be arguing with those daughters against the mother church today, if not for His Amazing Grace!

HalleluYah!