Posted on 09/21/2014 10:09:50 AM PDT by wmfights
Isa. 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa. 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Num. 23:19
God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
What did God say about adding to the Torah?
Deut. 4:2
“Do not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it, to observe the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.”
This disqualifies the New Testament as being Scripture.
“Do not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it, to observe the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.”
This disqualifies the New Testament as being Scripture.
>> “ the spiritual nation is all God is concerned with” <<
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True, but that spiritual nation is stated by Yeshua to be “the lost sheep of the House of Israel.”
That phrase stands for the northern tribes throught all of scripture. (He changeth not)
The Ephesians, like all of the congregations to whom Paul preached, were descendents of the people that became “Not a people,” and were prophesied to again become his people. This was prophesied in the book of Hosea.
Peter’s first epistle was written to these same “strangers” whom he told that they were to again be Yehova’s people.
You disregard most of the prophecies of the ancient scriptures to arrive at these looney proclamations of yours.
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>> “Jeremiah 31 tells us the Lord promised to make a new covenant with the house of Israel and Judah.”
“The truth is it’s not really a new covenant, but simply revealing more of the Divine Plan set forth at the beginning of time. Remember God is perfect and makes no mistakes with anything including His Torah.” <<
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You were correct up to that point.
The rest of your screed is is the ignorance of one that reads the scriptures with a bias that causes blindness to their meaning.
Yeshua came to restore his Torah that the Pharisees had demolished with their man made false “torah,” and to save his people, which is what his name means.
Saving his people required a sinless human’s blood be shed, a “kinsman redeemer.” Nothing less would pay the price.
If you deny him, you lose the forgiveness for which his blood paid, thus the renewed covenant is ineffective for you.
The “Roman catholic church” is definitely not what Ignatius called the universal church.
It is the satanic body that set out to destroy Yeshua’s Kehilah. Yeshua promised that you and the rest of your ‘church’ would fail in your assault on his church.
I’m betting on Yeshua.
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>> “I don’t consider the New Testament to be Scripture” <<
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Actually, the apostles that wrote it didn’t necessarily think it was either; they were just writing to their “sheep” to keep them following Yeshua’s Torah.
When the apostles said “scripture,” they meant the ancient scriptures every time. So did Yeshua. Read the beginning of Matthew ch 5, and see.
Paul explained in his epistle to the Hebrew believers that the gospel that Moses preached was the same one he, Paul, preached. (Hebrews ch 4)
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Another interesting passage is found in Genesis 18:1-2. “And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the ten door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked and, lo three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,” Interesting that when the Lord appears to Abraham here it was in the form of 3 men.
I love this great verse in the book of Proverbs it read like a riddle. Proverbs 30:4 “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?”
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?
Acts 1:9 “And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment?
Mark 3:9 “And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.”
who hath established all the ends of the earth?
Colossians 1:7 “And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
If I understand correctly, then, yours is a group that follows Judaism, but the participants are not Jewish, however, you respect Jewish people and follow their lead. Do I understand it correctly? I’ve never before heard of your group, so I’m just curious.
Try putting “bnai noach” into your favorite search engine.
I thought of that already, but I really wanted a member of the group to give his/her take on their group first.
Or here’s an on-line book:
http://www.moshiach.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=22&Itemid=64
Thanks jotto
The problem with the greco roman latin church is that they have created an entirely new savior. And it isn’t them. They are just a vessel... the apostles never celebrated December 25 nor easter...
a greco roman latin savior, with a greco roman latin name, greco roman latin birth day, greco roman latin death day, and greco roman latin ressurection day looks so close to the real if one didn’t study or test it, one wouldn’t see the differences.
They have been able to keep the words and deeds of scripture but ‘traditions’ can really be explained away with scripture- even the name Jesus..
Jesus was born on December 25 according to church tradition, not scripture.
Jesus was killed on good friya (some goddess) day according to church tradition, not scripture.
Jesus was raised on easter sun’s day according to church tradition, not scripture.
Christendom would not debate those for the most part.
But,
Scripture says the Messiah was born on the 1st day of the 6th month of our Heavenly Father’s calendar- when the sun clothed her and the Moon was under her feet (sign of Virgo on a New Moon Day)- revelation 12
Scripture says the Messiah was killed on the 14th day of the 1st month of our Heavenly Father’s calendar- on the day of the Feast of Passover.
(Jews had three ‘Passovers’ this past year depending on the calendar they use, and none were observed on a ‘friya goddess day)
Scripture says the Messiah laid in the tomb on the 15th day of the 1st month of our Heavenly Father’s calendar- on the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a High Sabbath that occurred on a weekly 7th day Sabbath every year if one uses our Creator’s calendar- even In death, the Messiah observed the Sabbath. (And none of those passover observances had a Saturn’s day in them)
Scripture says the Messiah was raised on the 16th day of the 1st month of our Heavenly Father’s calendar.- The Feast of First Fruits- the first day of the work week (the 16th is always the first day of a week on His calendar) and none of those this year were on a ‘sun’sday’
Those teachings are not the same between the greco roman latin savior and the Messiah of Israel. They are close.but so are counterfeit currency when compared to the genuine currency..
If one uses the Julian or the pope gregory or even the Jewish calculated calendars that are essentially sun based calendars, they will never see this..
Times and laws have changed as Daniel said..and Rome has its seal on these latest most recent changes.
Protestant daughters debate the mother on everything with out testing that maybe everything the mother has taught her is just plain wrong and no truth is in her..
But daughters will rally around mother if it steps on their own toes.. ecumenism at its more ironic stage..
What if greco roman latin jesus is in fact, the anti or ‘in place of’ Christ? A savior that does exactly what a counterfeit bill does- has the same wordings, markings, spellings to not be easily detected so to passed off as genuine.. trying to redeem a counterfeit bill can be a gamble.
It would go from the greatest story ever told to the greatest counterfeit ever made by the enemy..
And the first reformers had no problem calling the papacy the spirit of the ‘instead of’ Christ. I now don’t think they went far enough..
>> “What if greco roman latin jesus is in fact, the anti or ‘in place of’ Christ?” <<
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He is the “False Prophet,” the “man of sin’s” spiritual advisor.
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So now you are back into the Ignatius forgeries, eh??? You guys lose ALL credibility when you reference the Catholic forgeries of Ignatius...
There weren’t any churches then
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the “Church” is the faithful, not some building made of brick and mortar.
I find it interesting that someone is so focused on new moons and Sabbaths, which of course are just shadows, and miss entirely the substance which is Christ.
the ceremonial law, with it’s commandments and feasts were fulfilled in Christ and were nailed to the cross never to be resurrected.
I have to chuckle that someone actually believes the Church teaches Jesus Christ was born on December 25th! Really??
12/25 is the day the Church has CHOSEN to celebrate those events described in Luke 2, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE ACTUAL DATE WAS. The Church could decide tomorrow to celebrate Christ’s birth on July 23rd, March 2nd or September 8th.....the date we celebrate it doesn’t matter, what matters is the Son humbled Himself by becoming man, was born of a Virgin, lived a sinless life and willingly submitted to death on a cross as a sacrifice for the sins of the world and then on the third day, rose from the dead.
Jesus was crucified, died and was buried on the sixth day and rose on the third day, which was the feast of first fruits, the first day of the week.
how someone can be so focused on OT types and shadows, is beyond me.
so we are back to claiming the Ignatius Epistles are forgeries?
makes sense, because if they aren’t.............
But they are...
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