Posted on 09/21/2014 10:09:50 AM PDT by wmfights
In the attempt to disfranchise Israel of her promises, however, some amillenarians claim that the church, composed of both Gentiles and Jews, takes Israel’s place of blessing completely. It is pointed out that there has always been an inner circle of Israelites who were the “true Israel” and that these were the genuine inheritors of the promises, not the nation as a whole.
“The nation to whom the Lord promises the Kingdom is not the Church. The Church is called the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, the Habitation of God by the Spirit, the Lamb’s Wife, but never a nation. The nation is Israel still, but that believing remnant of the nation, living when the Lord comes.”7
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“Will Israel Continue as a Nation?”
God has made it pretty clear in the Tanach (aka the Bible minus the Christian’s New Testament) that in the end of days Israel would be resurrected, thrive, build the third temple and survive it all with her borders stretching from the Nile to the Euphrates - with one condition.
THE PROPHECY OF MOSES
CONCERNING THE LATTER DAYS
23 “Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the Lord your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the Lord thy God hath forbidden thee.
24 For the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
25 When thou shalt beget children, and children’s children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the Lord thy God, to provoke him to anger:
26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
27 And the Lord shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the Lord shall lead you. 28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
31 (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God;) He will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.”
The kicker is that survival in the latter days requires Jews to follow and listen to God both in letter and Spirit. Encourage your fellow Jew to do so especially if they aren’t observant.
One God, One Torah, One People to lead the rest of humanity back to Him.
“The nation to whom the Lord promises the Kingdom is not the Church. The Church is called the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, the Habitation of God by the Spirit, the Lamb’s Wife, but never a nation. The nation is Israel still, but that believing remnant of the nation, living when the Lord comes.”7
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Matthew 21:43 therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU and given to a NATION producing the fruit of it”
was this nation China? France? South Africa? Bolivia?
no, the “nation” is the Church.
1 Peter 2:9-10
but you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, A HOLY NATION, God’s own people, that you may declare the wonderful deeds of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were no people, now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
Jeremiah 31 tells us the Lord promised to make a new covenant with the house of Israel and Judah.
this new covenant was made when Jesus Christ was sacrificed on the cross for the sins of the world and the new covenant was ratified in his blood.
it is only through Jesus Christ and in His Body, that we are reconciled back to God.
so yes, we have One God and One Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.
“Jeremiah 31 tells us the Lord promised to make a new covenant with the house of Israel and Judah.”
The truth is it’s not really a new covenant, but simply revealing more of the Divine Plan set forth at the beginning of time. Remember God is perfect and makes no mistakes with anything including His Torah.
Psalm 19:7 “The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul.”
The word for “perfect” in this verse in the Hebrew is “temimah” that is an adjective that means faultless, whole or complete (temimut is the state of being tam, meaning unblemished or defect-free or blameless).
Plus, you can’t add on to it. Moses himself warns the people not to add on to the rules of the Torah. He says, “Don’t add on to the thing I am commanding you and don’t take away from it.” (Deut. 4:2)
“this new covenant was made when Jesus Christ was sacrificed on the cross for the sins of the world and the new covenant was ratified in his blood.”
God doesn’t do human sacrifice. Muslims and other assorted criminals do see human sacrifice/murder as a means of atonement. He rails against this from beginning to end.
“it is only through Jesus Christ and in His Body, that we are reconciled back to God.”
He doesn’t say that in the Torah nor did He through any of the Jewish Prophets.
T’shuvah (aka repentance aka circumcised heart) is what really brings us back to Him. No animal or human sacrifice can be used in place of that. In Psalm 51 is known within Judaism as the “Perek T’shuvah” or Chapter of Repentance. After King David was confronted with the truth of his crimes and the prospect of judgment, he returned to God for cleansing and forgiveness. David’s t’shuvah reveals that we also can return to God on the basis of His abundant compassion/mercy – His rachamim. Without God’s love we have no hope for the future.
“so yes, we have One God and One Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.”
There is no mediator between each human being and God because it is our soul that does the talking and God doesn’t have need for a mediator. Everyone can talk to Him without the need for a mediator 24/7/365. He hears everything we think and speak without us even realizing it. The relationship between man and God is direct, one-on-one. It is not proper to pray to anyone or anything else, nor is it permissible to pray through anyone else. And it will always be forbidden. It would be forbidden even if that thing or person had the ability to grant what you ask for.
I know what I say is harsh, but it is the truth.
Consider that the Jews have been prophetically reinstated in the land and have the military capability to retake the rest of the land they were promised in the Last Days.
The New Testament describes them as having been blinded to the Sonship of Christ, and yet many continue to worship the One true God, unlike any other non-Christian religions.
Many passages speak of the Twelve tribes in the later days and the Church cannot fulfill that physical representation of the Seed of Abraham, Issac and Jacob like the modern Jews who have been preserved by God's covenant with them.
As I see it, God will do all the work...
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
The Deliverer will turn away all ungodliness from the Jews...
Your tag line says:
“Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!”
And what is this other party, Libertarian? Considering your antichrist beliefs it would seem so...your anti-christianism should fit right in.
Religiously speaking, a strange lot the libertopians: an assortment of atheists, agnostics, deists, pantheists, antichrists, and what not...anything but conservative Christians, which most Pubbies are. Neither are they collectivists.
Socialists = collectivists.
“And what is this other party, Libertarian?”
I dub it the United States Independent Conservative Party.
“Considering your antichrist beliefs it would seem so...your anti-christianism should fit right in.”
Your deified, Jewish rabbi believed them. I guess that qualifies him as Satan’s little helper?
“Religiously speaking, a strange lot the libertopians: an assortment of atheists, agnostics, deists, pantheists, antichrists, and what not...anything but conservative Christians, which most Pubbies are. Neither are they collectivists.”
Why is the GOP at war with the Tea Party? Where did ObamaCare come from? Hint: ever heard of RomneyCare? If you turn off the boob tube and start studying the Pubbies you’ll find out they are as collectivist (aka Progressive, democratic, Socialist, Communist, etc.) as the Dems, but they have their own take on how they implement it.
Because they will finally recognize Jesus is the Messiah.
“I dub it the United States Independent Conservative Party.”
It’s got a nice ring to it, I must say... but, if you and your antichrist beliefs are its representative, I want nothing to do with it.
Like I said before the beliefs I have are straight outta Torah and is exactly the same thing your deified, Jewish rabbi believed when he walked this Earth.
The anti-Christ or false Messiah will declare himself to be God. The biggest lie of all in this universe is believing your or any other man can be God.
The original Jewish church knew all these arguments you use, and rejected all of them.
Matthew, one of the original 12 Jewish apostles, knew more about Jesus than you, he said he had no earthly father, meaning he was the Son of God. Matthew said this of him,
"And they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us," Matt. 1:23.
Sorry, Jack, you are just a Jack come lately, you live some 2000 years after the fact. I'll take what the Jewish apostle Matthew says about it over you.
It is not the truth and it is rude. Are you trying to provoke the Gentiles who have turned to God through Jesus so Jews have fewer allies and friends ? You should be ashamed of yourself. Have we not suffered enough for two thousand years ? Have you no children to lose ? DJ you care for no one ? Go tell your shul and rabbi what you're doing here.
I know what I say is harsh, but it is the truth.
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not harsh at all, this is the religion forum.
the only one who can open anyone’s spiritual eyes is the Holy Spirit. I have always found it curious that the Jews are steeped in the Scriptures which are full of types and shadows pointing to the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and His perfect atoning sacrifice on the Cross, yet the vast majority of Jews rejected Him when he walked the earth and the vast majority have rejected Him for 2,000 years.
I do have a question that I hope you are kind enough to answer.
what do you make of Paul the Apostle?
here he was a Pharisee of the Pharisees, steeped in the law and zealous to persecute the Christian sect, even taking part in the murder of Stephen, yet..........
something happened to him and he does a religious 180 and becomes the greatest Evangelist in history. clearly, he didn’t do it for riches, title, women or any other human ambition that usually drives men’s motives. in fact, he risked his own life many times and ultimately was beheaded for his Faith in Rome.
what do you think motivated him?
1. the spiritual nation is all God is concerned with. the writer of this article completely misses the point of Ephesians 2. v12 says the Gentiles were once “alienated from the commonwealth of Israel” and then in v19 it says they now are fellow citizens and members of the household of God. this “household of God”, the “commonwealth of Israel” is better known as The Church, or Body of Christ. in which, of course, there is neither Jew nor Greek.
2. “prophetically reinstated in the land”, I hear this a lot, where do you believe it states in the Scriptures this would happen?
3. “worship the One True God”... Jesus Christ is God Almighty, hopefully you agree with that. Are the majority of Jews in the country of Israel worshipping Jesus Christ?
if no, they are not worshipping the one true God.
no one comes to the Father except through Him.
4. God’s will is that all men come to faith in Jesus Christ and be saved, yet you state that the Jews have been “preserved” by some covenant you think He made with them. He did make a new covenant in His Son’s blood which they for the most part reject. Do you believe these Jews who have been “preserved” can be saved outside of Christ?
“Are you trying to provoke the Gentiles who have turned to God through Jesus so Jews have fewer allies and friends?”
Nope. Everyone needs a rabbi whether Jew, Christian, or other. He’s a great example of one who lived a Godly life both in letter and Spirit.
When the Messiah shows up and tells everyone he isn’t Muzzie and isn’t God what will the reaction be? A lot of Muzzies and Christians are going to be very upset.
Would you rather listen to lies? What I am saying is what any Orthodox Jew, Orthodox rabbi, and the Christian’s deified rabbi would say.
(shrugs shoulders)
[sigh!]
Hokay, I'll defer and desist in my criticism if you bring your rabbi (you do go to an orthodox or conservadox shul right ?) to this thread so we can discuss if it is appropriate for an observant Jew to come to this thread to poke Christians in the eye by insulting Jesus by writing Your deified, Jewish rabbi believed them. I guess that qualifies him as Satan’s little helper?
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