Many protestants and prots refuse to acknowledge the roots of Mormonism in protestant ism due to "bizarre" beliefs. How do you think you all appear to the only real Christians (Catholics) with your bizarre denials of basic Catholic doctrines.
From where we sit you all are on the exact same level.
Heresy is heresy.
According to thee. So your specious criteria is indeed simply not being in formal submission to the pope? And how is this consistent with defining Catholic as adhering to Catholic distinctives such as papal infallibility, Marian sinlessness and perpetual virginity and bodily assumption, the nature of the Eucharistic, etc.?
But if one cannot deny these and be Catholic, then how can one deny the apostle's creed, and Scripture as being the supreme authority as literally being the Word of God, and salvation by grace thru faith, and other Prot distinctives of the Reformation, and be Protestant? Or do you not care about being consistent in order to take pot shots?
In any case, how does Mormonism attack those evangelicals whom you oppose here who hold to the above, and actually conform more to Catholicism in core Truths than Mormonism?
How do you think you all appear to the only real Christians (Catholics) with your bizarre denials of basic Catholic doctrines.
Which is based upon what? What is the basis for your assurance of truth?
Is your argument is that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth (including writings and men being of God) and to fulfill promises of Divine presence, providence of Truth, and preservation of faith, and authority. (Jn. 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:13; Mt. 16:18; Lk. 10:16)
And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that Rome is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus those who dissent from the latter are in rebellion to God?
Or is your basis for determination of Truth that of the weight of evidence, of Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, like an evangelical's must be?
Heresy is heresy.
That itself is no more true than that "sin is sin," as while it makes all sinners, there are varying degrees and penalties, but only by ignoring such can you make Mormons as Prots and Herod as Peter.
“For Christians there are only two choices, Catholic or protestant. If you are not fully in communion with the Catholic Church and profess a belief in Jesus you are protestant.”
I understand this from Rome’s view. Fortunately, God has no grandchildren, only first generation children that are born through faith in His gracious gift. As such, we identify with Him, not Rome and not with those involved in the historic split from Rome. We are simply Christians. Related to Him now. While you may think of yourself as catholic. I don’t know of anyone at my church who would identify themselves as “protestant.”
“Many protestants and prots refuse to acknowledge the roots of Mormonism in protestant ism due to “bizarre” beliefs.”
I readily acknowledge that horndog Smith was influenced by protestant Christians. Clearly, his life showed something quite different than the life of Christ within. Apparently, he was poorly catechized.
But this cuts both ways, since by your line of thinking you will be in the position of acknowledging that every single offshoot of the catholic church since 300 bc is “catholic.” If you do not, it doesn’t serve any purpose to call mormons protestant, once they leave.
“How do you think you all appear to the only real Christians (Catholics) with your bizarre denials of basic Catholic doctrines.”
Real Christians are those who have entrusted themselves to the gracious gift of God in Christ - regardless of denomination. I don’t give any think time to how my relationship as a son of God and joint heir with Christ appears to those who are catholic. Why would I? I want to please God, not man.
1 Thessalonians 2:4 (DARBY)
“but even as we have been approved of God to have the glad tidings entrusted to us, so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, who proves our hearts.”
Paul never argues that approval comes from anywhere but God. What good news!
best.
Anyone remotely familiar with what the Mormon Church teaches and historically what Protestants believe, COULD NOT CONFUSE THE TWO.
Mormonism is a bizarre cultish fantasy, started by a man named Joseph Smith with the two fold purpose to make money and score with women ( mostly other mens wives )
The beliefs of Mormons DENY ALL HISTORICAL CHRISTIAN BELIEFS, including the Trinity and salvation by grace.
Protestants, those that broke from the Catholic Church in the 16th century, for the most part accept many historical Christian doctrines ( deity of Jesus Christ, the Trinity, salvation by grace, etc ), but many denied other historical Christian doctrines such as baptismal regeneration, the Real Presence in the Eucharist, apostolic succession, etc.
Many other religious movements have sprung up after the Reformation and justify their existence on the Protestant belief that there is not one universal visible Church so anyone is free to start their own “church” and away we go...
I hold no brief for Protestantism, as I think it goes against the peace and unity of the Christian Church as taught in John 17 and 1 Corinthians 1.
But Mormons teach that both the Catholic Church and Protestants are the whore of Babylon described in Revelation 17.......THEY ARE NOT PROTESTANT AND THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.
//For Christians there are only two choices, Catholic or protestant. If you are not fully in communion with the Catholic Church and profess a belief in Jesus you are protestant. //
Umm...no. Protestants are a breakoff of Catholics. Mormons are part of the ‘restoration’ branch and are pseudo-Christian cult.
BTW, The Pope even said while Protestants are separated brethren, Mormons are not and not protestants. Also Catholics will accept Protestant baptism for conversion, but not Mormon baptism.
From where we sit, Roman Catholicism has plenty of non-Scriptural, heretical beliefs. What you term "basic" Catholic doctrines - if they are genuine CHRISTIAN doctrines - are the SAME doctrines held by all genuine Christians (i.e., deity of Jesus Christ, His incarnation, the Trinity, the sacrificial death of Christ on the cross for our sins, His resurrection, His immanent return) and can be proven BY Scripture as well as what was always, everywhere and by all believed by the original Christians. Some of what Catholicism has "developed" over the centuries in its bizarre doctrines and dogmas cannot be proved by Scripture and was unheard of in the early church. That's just a fact and is why you guys don't have a leg to stand on - much less three - to condemn REAL Christians as heretics!
Many Catholics refuse to acknowledge the roots of Mormonism in Catholicism, even though...
1. Top Down structure (One man rule) is the same...
2. Extremely costly church buildings are the norm...
3. Symbols and rituals are the same...
4. We are the ONLY way is the same...