Posted on 09/11/2014 12:08:50 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
And father/sister, what makes me a cafeteria Catholic? Specifically please... after all you made a decision based on a few sentences. Also please tell us all why you are Catholic and your/the religious strengths that allow snap decisions about others.
No, 'solo' means alone.'Sola' means preeminent, above all others... the 'Sole rule of Faith' does not mean there can be no other rules, but that there can be no other rules that trump the 'sole rule'. All Protestant denominations have traditions too - The difference is that their traditions, together or respectively, cannot displace the clear Word.
This absurdity comes up often, and is refuted every time.
Sadly true. It becomes tedious at times. We would like to think our opponents would confront our actual positions, and not caricatures. But so long as the caricatures persist, we must continue to swat them down, lest others be misled.
Peace,
SR
PS: Haven't forgotten about the "abba" research. Just stalled on primary sources, though secondary sources definitely have been helpful, esp. Jewish Encyclopedia.
Because the rent in your noggin is always due on the 15th?
Always? One of the favorite polemics of the FRoman Catholic crowd is that everything that happened wasn't written down.
And so explain how on a few sentences you can base that statement? Better yet explain what training and experience shows that to be accurate statement.
I look forward to the web site you referred to and your FR page gave no real indication to support your analysis of my few sentence post.
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/rise-papacy/
Protestant site.....is anyone going to believe that they have the truth?
your question is sarcastic??
Great! When is the Vatican releasing the tapes of Peter's sermons? Since we know Peter wouldn't preach by mouth contrary to Scripture and we know from John that all things necessary to know to believe in Christ and have eternal life are contained in his Gospel account, why does the Catholic church lay unbiblical burdens on its members in the form of dogmas? If Tradition is the basis for dogma, how can it levy requirements not found in Scripture?
It’s a more cogent explanation than the smoke and mirrors trotted out by the Roman Catholic hoards.
No. Ligonier Ministries was founded by R.C. Sproul. Wonderful Biblical teacher.
Which means then that the Catholic explanation of Protestantism is more cogent than the smoke and mirrors trotted out by Protestant hoards?
Bm
No it is not unanimous, nor has it been.
You show me one credible account of where he died elsewhere.
There is an ossuary in Jerusalem, found in a first century Christian cemetery - under the care of a Franciscan Order... Which makes perfect sense... More sense than to assume a devout Jew would be buried in a pagan cemetery.
Finally, its balderdash that Peter never mentions Rome in his own Epistle. He says it right in 1 Peter 5:13, the Church that is in Babylon. Oh but Babylon means Mesopotamia, not Rome? Really? When was Peter in Mesopotamia?
When he wrote and SAID he was in Babylon.
And wasnt Babylon a ruin by then?
Not according to Josephus... Antiquities, I believe, who claims it a center of Judaism.
History is not always as clear as we like. Here it is.
No, it isn't.
Jews glorify God through their faith which is a gift from God. To God is the glory. Period. Yes, they will be blessed and people will hang onto the coat tails of a Jew and of course, all Christians worship a Jew and even the Pope kneels. God is sooooo smart.
“Are you UNAWARE at that sola means alone? That is what protestants preach and they are big on insisting sola scriptura. Itsy bitsy problem for you people is that it is UNBIBLICAL. NO WHERE in the bible, EVER does the bible itself say scripture ALONE. In fact the bible directly contradicts your favorite pony. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 indicates teaching can be either a) by letter b) WORD OF MOUTH and certainly if Peter teaches by letter he can also orally teach too. Duh. Also 1 Timothy 3:15 also states that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth...and Jesus said that Peter is who he is building his church on. Its not Catholics you have an issue with, but apparently Jesus Christ. Sola Scriptura is not our circus.”
Let’s take it a statement at a time.
“Are you UNAWARE at that sola means alone? That is what protestants preach and they are big on insisting sola scriptura.
What you wrote is not what is meant by sola scriptura. Your post presents a straw man instead of an accurate understanding. So first, I suggest doing some work to understand what is meant by this concept.
“Itsy bitsy problem for you people is that it is UNBIBLICAL.”
No. It is quite Biblical. Your straw man version is not biblical. Sola Scriptura is quite biblical.
“NO WHERE in the bible, EVER does the bible itself say scripture ALONE.
First, I must point out that your post is now attacking the false straw man it created. This is a logical fallacy. Go ahead and kick him hard. He’s all yours.
Scripture does not say Trinity, or Bible either. We use those terms to express a Biblical concept that is taught. Had you started with a correct meaning of sola scriptura, you would not have posted this.
“In fact the bible directly contradicts your favorite pony.”
I have no ponies or horses or donkeys. Nor do I play favorites.
“2 Thessalonians 2:15 indicates teaching can be either a) by letter b) WORD OF MOUTH and certainly if Peter teaches by letter he can also orally teach too.”
Peter is departed and is no longer writing or teaching on earth. Scripture has been given. Teaching is not inspired. Scripture is inspired.
“Duh.”
OK.
“Also 1 Timothy 3:15 also states that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth...”
The church, when it does its job, is a foundation under truth and a pillar to show off truth to the world. The church is never truth.
“and Jesus said that Peter is who he is building his church on.”
Well, I understand that many catholics believe that, but it doesn’t say that.
“Its not Catholics you have an issue with, but apparently Jesus Christ.”
Well, starting with the catholic personal interpretation of scripture, it would appear that way, but in reality, not at all.
“Sola Scriptura is not our circus.”
OK.
What, pray tell, is this clear word? And where is it to be found?
The only thing worse than a liberal Jesuit priest is the following quote:
“Uh, no. I am Catholic..... but the Pope has NO AUTHORITY over me.”
I was reading Isaiah 22 and there is a note in my Bible that links that reference of the “key” to the letter in Revelation 3 to the church in Philadelphia. Is this not Jesus who has the key? At the beginning of each letter is a description of Jesus.
I still think there are 7 churches just as there are 7 Spirits of God. The fight between Catholics and Protestants makes me feel like an Iraqi watching the Shiites and Sunnis.
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