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To: boatbums

Your reasoning makes no sense because again you fall into the error of saying that many Catholic beliefs like dogmas etc., aren’t recorded in Scripture You take as your single source Scripture (even though Scripture itself informs that there were many things Christ said and did that were not recorded, and yet the books in Scripture did not fall from the skies but its selection was based on the received oral tradition, which helped the early Church Fathers decide which books should be in the Bible and which were not, such as where the so-called Gnostic gospels that were excluded. These were decisions of the profoundest authority. i.e. what constitutes the sacred written text.

Then you purport to dispute this very authority of the Catholic Church to insure that there be one single teaching because by “your” reading of Scripture you may offer “your” own “authoritative” version.

This is precisely what leads to multifarious interpretations often at diametrical odds to one another. Think Jim Jones, David Koresh, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rev. Moon, Rev. Jimmy Swaggart, Joe Osteens etc.

Now, strange, isn’t it that leading Protestant and Episcopalian theologians and scholars who have written several books and taught theology and history of Scripture in major Protestant-oriented colleges and university, have upon their further ongoing study and research now ditched their former writings, analyses, and beliefs, including quite recently, the pastor of Sweden’s preeminent Protestant congregation and converted to Catholicism. These theologians, quite apart from having the courage of their convictions, did not have to use religion to gain personal profits and amass fortunes like the “pastors” named above.

We need to get back to where this discussion started. There is one Church, with one single authority given by Christ to Peter and his successors, to teach one truth to be the mustard seed that becomes the one universal Church in all corners of the Globe. This Church is sustained by the litany of its saints and the blood of martyrs. It’s theological foundations have been tested through two millennia confronting the early heresies. Therefore it is tragic that the evil of Protestantism has, in the words of the great English essayist Hillaire Belloc, spawned a “cluster of heresies” that we now have every Tom, Dick, and Harry right down to Rev. Jeremiah Wright or Rev. Billy Graham or Rev. David Koresh spouting “their” own interpretation of Scripture to say nothing of Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Mormons. These birds of a feather that stick together have one thing in common, they all deny the reality of the Eucharist and the most elevated form of worship, the Mass.


926 posted on 09/11/2014 2:18:41 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
You've already shown that your reasoning is compromised since you have surrendered everything to your church and will obey whatever she tells you without question. No amount of contrary Scripture passages given to you to demonstrate the error of Roman Catholic doctrines will sway you since you place the authority over God's word to those you have pledged to obey. Run smack into verses that any objective person could see contradicts RCC dogma, and you will pass it off as we can't possibly interpret it right and we must let the hierarchy do the interpreting.

It reminds me of a time I was having breakfast with family and a local Catholic priest. We got on the subject of favorite Bible verses and I said mine was Ephesians 2:8,9 - For by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast." The priest then said, "That sounds Protestant to me." He knew that what Scripture said didn't fit with what he was supposed to teach and believe as a Catholic priest so his only response was that there had to be some mistake.

Your tattered and shoddy opinion of how we even got the sacred Scriptures only further proves you place your church OVER the very words of God - the EXACT thing Jesus condemned the Jewish religious leaders for doing! We have the Scriptures because God chose to give them to us. It wasn't up to the Jewish "fathers" to tell God which of His divinely inspired texts they would accept and which ones they would reject nor was it of Christian leaders to do so either. What a bizarre view you seem to have about Scripture. We have the SAME sacred writings preserved for us today that the early believers had and they contain our rule of faith. NOTHING was omitted that pertained to Godliness, our salvation, our walk with Christ or what we should know about our faith. Paul told the churches that he did not fail to teach them the "whole counsel of God" and GOD ensured that it was written for our edification. Suggesting Jesus taught other things that were left out of Scripture is nothing but a smokescreen to allow your religion a backdoor to insert whatever they could come up with to make mandatory to be believed - even things that CONTRADICT the written word of God.

You might as well stop with your foolish contentions that "all the smart people go Catholic" since nobody here has fallen for it yet. I DO hope you aren't implying that there aren't any brilliant theologians that left Catholicism for, or that continued to remain with, the "Protestant" Christian view. You would be seriously wrong if you did.

Finally, as you continue to play your straw man card of "multifarious interpretations", let me remind you that having one teaching "authority" in charge of deciding truth has NEVER ensured unity in the Catholic faith much less for all Christians. There IS one faith, one Lord and one baptism and having a shingle hanging from a church door with a name on it doesn't guarantee the truth is taught inside. Our rule of faith is the Scriptures and genuine Christians believe the central tenets of Christianity - always have, always will. Even your religion at one time believed that. How we know truth from heresy is by God's word. It was used by the ECFs and is just as much relevant today as it was back then.

931 posted on 09/11/2014 9:14:18 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Steelfish
Think Jim Jones, David Koresh, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rev. Moon, Rev. Jimmy Swaggart, Joe Osteens etc.

You must sure LIKE these folks; since you refer to them a LOT!

932 posted on 09/12/2014 4:15:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Steelfish
Therefore it is tragic that the evil of Protestantism has, in the words of the great English essayist Hillaire Belloc, spawned a “cluster of heresies” that we now have ...

Oh, Honey!!!

It was the SINS of your chosen religion that 'created' PROTESTants!!!

OWN IT!!!


933 posted on 09/12/2014 4:17:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Steelfish
These birds of a feather that stick together have one thing in common, they all deny the reality of the Eucharist and the most elevated form of worship, the Mass.

Can't you even get THIS right?

... they all deny the Catholic teaching about the reality of Eucharist...

934 posted on 09/12/2014 4:20:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Steelfish
... and the most elevated form of worship, the Mass.

OOOooohhh!

We've give you guys the prize for this all right!

935 posted on 09/12/2014 4:21:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Steelfish
We'll give you guys the prize for this all right!

James 1:27

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

936 posted on 09/12/2014 4:23:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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