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To: Elsie
No,I was taught that in religion class.

Think of it this way. Your soul is like a glass of water. Water being grace. Now the glass is filled to the brim. (Full of grace)If you take a small spoonful out like committing a small sin removes some your grace from your soul.

it's not full anymore.

381 posted on 09/05/2014 6:52:23 AM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: painter; Elsie
. Water being grace. Now the glass is filled to the brim. (Full of grace)If you take a small spoonful out like committing a small sin removes some your grace from your soul.

You argument is based upon the refuted premise that Lk. 1:28 says Mary is full of grace (and uniquely so), but which it simply does not say. Kecharitomene (one form of the verb "charitoo") in Lk. 1:28, is never used for "full" elsewhere, but Lk. 1:28 simply says she was graced, favored, enriched with grace, as in Eph.1:6.

Much more technical here :

And evidently the translators of the official Catholic NAB Bible also render Lk. 1:28 as "Hail, favored one!"

Nor does kecharitomene being a perfect passive participle translate into meaning a "a perfection of grace," or distinctively a past action, in distinction to echaritosen (another form of the verb "charitoo") used in Eph. 1:6, as there also it refers to a present state based upon a past action, "To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted [echaritosen] in the beloved." (Ephesians 1:6) More at source.

,In contrast, the only one (though Stephen in Acts 6:8, in some mss) said to be full of grace is the Lord Jesus, "full ("plērēs) of grace (charis) and truth." (Jn. 1:14) The reason "plērēs" is not used in Lk. 1:28 is because plērēs actually does denote "full" 17 other places in the NT., and thus it is used of the one who was/is unmistakably full of grace and Truth. If Mary was perfectly full of grace as bearing Christ then it would say she was full of grace, but it does not.

The attempt to make Mary like Christ is just one more example of Cath. thinking of mortals "above that which is written." (1Cor. 4:6)

For in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*,

Mary was a holy, virtuous instrument of God, but of whom Scripture says relatively little, while holy fear ought to restrain ascribing positions, honor, glory and powers to a mortal that God has not revealed as given to them, and or are only revealed as being possessed by God Himself. But like as the Israelites made an instrument of God an object of worship, (Num. 21:8,9; 2Kg. 18:4) Catholics have magnified Mary far beyond what is written and warranted and even allowed, based on what is in Scripture.

And Swan stated ,

I was though pleased recently to hear Roman Catholic Magisterium interpreter Jimmy Akin say of Luke 1:28 on the word kecharitomene: "This is a Greek term that you could use in that exact grammatical formation for someone else who wasn't immaculately conceived and the sentence would still make sense." He then gives the example of using the term of Mary's grandmother. He also stated, "This is something where I said previously, we need the additional source of information from tradition and we need the guidance of the magisterium to be able to put these pieces together." This is a frank admission that the text does not plainly support the Roman Catholic interpretation and needs to be supplemented by another ultimate authority. In other words, the IC must be read into Luke 1:28.

More .

389 posted on 09/05/2014 8:14:41 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: painter
Think of it this way. Your soul is like a glass of water. Water being grace. Now the glass is filled to the brim. (Full of grace)If you take a small spoonful out like committing a small sin removes some your grace from your soul.

it's not full anymore.

Well, religion class taught you wrong.

Romans 5:20-21 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

393 posted on 09/05/2014 9:32:38 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: painter; Elsie

Grace is shown to us in spite of our sins. Mary in her response to Elizabeth referred to the fruit of her womb as the “Lord of her Salvation”. She was a sinner as much as any of us but in her Obedience to God, she was shown grace and mercy and her sins were forgiven her.

You don’t lose grace if you have sinned but repent and ask forgiveness. Paul says the “inner man is renewed day by day”! The Glass is always kept full!


397 posted on 09/05/2014 9:40:12 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: painter
,I was taught that in religion class.

It appears you were.

Too bad it's a faulty strawman.

406 posted on 09/05/2014 10:31:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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