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Is James Foley a Martyr? A Brutal Death Sparks a Faith-Based Debate
Religion News Service ^ | 8/26/14 | David Gibson

Posted on 08/27/2014 11:27:18 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: piusv

Where do I start?


61 posted on 08/28/2014 2:46:06 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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And to be clear, I am not judging James Foley’s soul one way or another. I certainly hope that he went to Heaven. I just want to see support for Church teaching on this matter in general. So far, all I can find are people saying that martyrdom removes mortal sin is Church teaching.


62 posted on 08/28/2014 2:48:26 AM PDT by piusv
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Is there not a Church document out there somewhere that discusses this? You’re a priest. I’m guessing you know where to find that.


63 posted on 08/28/2014 2:49:27 AM PDT by piusv
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The first place I’d go would be the Catechism of the Catholic Church.


64 posted on 08/28/2014 3:22:39 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: piusv

A quick search doesn’t turn up much.

The Catechism does not discuss this question.

It is safe to presume that a person who refuses to abandon the Faith, knowing he will be killed as a result, and does this out of love, has by that fact made an act of perfect contrition.

I can think of one example off the top of my head. There is a group of recognized martyrs who were killed by Protestants in Belgium or Holland, I believe. One of them was a priest who was a notorious womanizer, and he was confronted with this fact, and mocked by his persecutors. I.e., they tried to shame him, hoping to break his resolve.

He replied: “A fornicator I always was; a heretic I never was.” He is honored as a martyr with all the others of his group. If I can find an account of this incident, I will post it. Of course, there is no way to know whether he might have made a good confession since his last mortal sin.

I would be very surprised to find that there has ever been a magisterial document dealing with this precise question. The answer would be found in the consensus of moral theologians.

The fact that martyrdom obviates the need for Baptism strongly suggests that it obviates the necessity of sacramental absolution as well.

The sacraments were given to us as the ordinary means of grace. They were not created by God in order to close off the possibility of the action of grace by other channels.


65 posted on 08/28/2014 3:43:54 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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Thank you for looking into this. You are probably right in that I would need to look into what the theologians say about this. However, I think the strongest argument you made was:

The fact that martyrdom obviates the need for Baptism strongly suggests that it obviates the necessity of sacramental absolution as well.

That makes sense.

66 posted on 08/28/2014 1:51:29 PM PDT by piusv
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