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To: af_vet_1981

you had to have been taught the faith post VII.

one would think someone calling themself a “Catholic” would know there is national Israel, which is a “type” of the real Israel, which is the Church.

put away your 19th century John Darby beliefs and learn what the Church has taught for 2,000 years ( up until the VII disaster )


90 posted on 08/31/2014 6:21:00 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
put away your 19th century John Darby beliefs and learn what the Church has taught for 2,000 years ( up until the VII disaster )

If one rejects VII, I suppose one can join Martin Luther. What really, is the difference between Martin Luther and any Catholic who rejects VII ?

If I had my way, if I had my way, if I had my way, I would tear this whole building down and be right with the Apostles asking our Lord to restore the kingdom to Israel. We must all persevere in faith, hope, and love, waiting for the glorious appearance of Messiah.

Since the Ascension Christ's coming in glory has been imminent,566 even though "it is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority."567. This eschatological coming could be accomplished at any moment, even if both it and the final trial that will precede it are "delayed".568 674 The glorious Messiah's coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by "all Israel", for "a hardening has come upon part of Israel" in their "unbelief" toward Jesus.569 St. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost: "Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old."570 St. Paul echoes him: "For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?"571 The "full inclusion" of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation, in the wake of "the full number of the Gentiles",572 will enable the People of God to achieve "the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ", in which "God may be all in all".573

93 posted on 08/31/2014 6:30:24 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
put away your 19th century John Darby beliefs and learn what the Church has taught for 2,000 years ( up until the VII disaster )

I guess anything happening in the 19th century or 20th century is suspect for you. I too have reservations. One of which is the 19th century self declaration of Papal infallibility. That alone is not very apostolic. Maybe medieval. Same 19th century we had the immaculate conception and in early 20th we had the Assumption of Mary. So if your argument is Christian doctrine that comes later is suspect, you have a lot of explaining to do with your own Catholic doctrines.

137 posted on 09/01/2014 8:04:52 PM PDT by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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