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To: daniel1212; redleghunter; CynicalBear; boatbums; roamer_1

while there is “the Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16) meaning the elect,

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careful, another name for the elect is the Body of Christ or the Church......so to admit there is “the Israel of God” that is not national Israel should bring the dispensational wrath upon you, but since you don’t hold to the historical orthodox Christian Faith, you probably are safe.


87 posted on 08/31/2014 6:10:26 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; redleghunter; CynicalBear; metmom
so to admit there is “the Israel of God” that is not national Israel should bring the dispensational wrath upon you, but since you don’t hold to the historical orthodox Christian Faith, you probably are safe.

I do not know how much i conform to eschatological labels, which can vary within such, but since you are wrong what the historical orthodox Christian Faith is according to Scripture, versus Rome , and resort to straw men or propaganda, and or spitwads, you already had made the marginalized list of RC posters.

In any case, a good description the different views on this can be found by H. Wayne House in "THE FUTURE OF NATIONAL ISRAEL ", who states,

Dispensational theologians agree that Romans 11:26 refers to fu- ture, national Israel. They contend that in Romans Paul consistently uses the term to describe national Israel in contrast to Gentiles, and that Paul always uses the term to mean national Israel. 71 ... Dispensationalists then discuss when this national salvation will occur and to whom among the nations “all Israel” refers. - BIBLIOTHECA SACRA 166 (October–December 2009):

And RCs should at least be able to concur that the Lord's return awaits the recognition by all Israel, upon whom a hardening has come due to their "unbelief" toward Jesus.

95 posted on 08/31/2014 7:27:09 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; daniel1212; metmom; boatbums; af_vet_1981; CynicalBear; roamer_1; ..
Ireneaus Against Heresies Book V chapter 35: 1. If, however, any shall endeavour to allegorize [prophecies] of this kind, they shall not be found consistent with themselves in all points, and shall be confuted by the teaching of the very expressions [in question]. For example: When the cities of the Gentiles shall be desolate, so that they be not inhabited, and the houses so that there shall be no men in them and the land shall be left desolate. Isaiah 6:11 For, behold, says Isaiah, the day of the Lord comes past remedy, full of fury and wrath, to lay waste the city of the earth, and to root sinners out of it. Isaiah 13:9 And again he says, Let him be taken away, that he behold not the glory of God. Isaiah 26:10 And when these things are done, he says, God will remove men far away, and those that are left shall multiply in the earth. Isaiah 6:12 And they shall build houses, and shall inhabit them themselves: and plant vineyards, and eat of them themselves. Isaiah 65:21 For all these and other words were unquestionably spoken in reference to the resurrection of the just, which takes place after the coming of Antichrist, and the destruction of all nations under his rule; in [the times of] which [resurrection] the righteous shall reign in the earth, waxing stronger by the sight of the Lord: and through Him they shall become accustomed to partake in the glory of God the Father, and shall enjoy in the kingdom intercourse and communion with the holy angels, and union with spiritual beings; and [with respect to] those whom the Lord shall find in the flesh, awaiting Him from heaven, and who have suffered tribulation, as well as escaped the hands of the Wicked one. For it is in reference to them that the prophet says: And those that are left shall multiply upon the earth, And Jeremiah the prophet has pointed out, that as many believers as God has prepared for this purpose, to multiply those left upon earth, should both be under the rule of the saints to minister to this Jerusalem, and that [His] kingdom shall be in it, saying, Look around Jerusalem towards the east, and behold the joy which comes to you from God Himself. Behold, your sons shall come whom you have sent forth: they shall come in a band from the east even unto the west, by the word of that Holy One, rejoicing in that splendour which is from your God. O Jerusalem, put off your robe of mourning and of affliction, and put on that beauty of eternal splendour from your God. Gird yourself with the double garment of that righteousness proceeding from your God; place the mitre of eternal glory upon your head. For God will show your glory to the whole earth under heaven. For your name shall for ever be called by God Himself, the peace of righteousness and glory to him that worships God. Arise, Jerusalem, stand on high, and look towards the east, and behold your sons from the rising of the sun, even to the west, by the Word of that Holy One, rejoicing in the very remembrance of God. For the footmen have gone forth from you, while they were drawn away by the enemy. God shall bring them in to you, being borne with glory as the throne of a kingdom. For God has decreed that every high mountain shall be brought low, and the eternal hills, and that the valleys be filled, so that the surface of the earth be rendered smooth, that Israel, the glory of God, may walk in safety. The woods, too, shall make shady places, and every sweet-smelling tree shall be for Israel itself by the command of God. For God shall go before with joy in the light of His splendour, with the pity and righteousness which proceeds from Him.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103535.htm

104 posted on 08/31/2014 9:23:05 PM PDT by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
>> to admit there is “the Israel of God” that is not national Israel should bring the dispensational wrath upon you<<

There is evidence in scripturen that would support the notion that the Catholic Church could at least be in part considered to resemble Israel.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

114 posted on 09/01/2014 10:21:40 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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