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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; Iscool; editor-surveyor

You were presented the scriptures from Romans as provided by Iscool.

Your beef is with Paul not premil presentation of the Scriptures.

In the Scriptures provided in Romans your theory that Israel=100% Church is refuted. Because how could the church be an enemy of itself.

On your enumeration I would agree with 1-3 and 4 if you substitute Hebrew people.

#5 begs the question as clearly Paul tells us the elect of the church are grafted in. And agreeing with God’s bond servant Paul God is not finished with Israel.

#6 very possible. We shall find out. Could be or a yet far future event. It’s not dogmatic. Show me those who claim such.

#7 at the least IMO a beginning of gathering. It is a secular state no professing Christ as Lord and Savior. Pieces being put together for larger prophecy fulfillment. See Paul again Romans 9-12.

#8-10 you beg the questions again. So as to fit your stereotype. Paul stated all Israel will be saved. Not redleghunter, Iscool or Walvoord (he’s the author of the series if you had not read). It was Paul and as such Paul knew the Hebrew scriptures quite well from what I know. Better than us. He knew YHWH always kept a faithful remnant.

So your reasoning is flawed. Pick up the Bible and read these articles if you truly want to converse on these threads.


49 posted on 08/31/2014 11:02:50 AM PDT by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter

my “beef” is not with Paul, it’s with the 19th century invention called dispensationalism.

Paul clearly presents two Israels in Romans, national Israel, which was a type of the second true Israel, spiritual Israel, of which all in it will be saved.
this second true Israel is the Church, as we read in Acts 2:47 “and the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved”
Paul flat out tells us there are two Israels in Romans 9:6, for not all who are descended from ( national ) Israel, belong to ( spiritual ) Israel.
only all spiritual Israel ( the Church ) will be saved.
national Israel is no different in God’s eyes than national Nigeria, He wishes all to be saved and come to the knowledge of his Son.....who so ever will.....


54 posted on 08/31/2014 12:31:21 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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