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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
this is truly a bizarre answer. are you saying that only the Jews Jesus was addressing in John 8 will die in their sins if they don’t believe he is the Messiah, and it doesn’t apply to any other Jews or Gentile that wasn’t within ear shot when the words were actually spoken?

It was a bizarre question. The answer is truthful if one examines the text. It is a common error that readers make, to imagine themselves, or others, to be the heirs of certain scriptures. For example:

  1. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
  2. If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
  3. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
  4. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
  5. Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Now God may grant application of certain scriptures to others, so the answer to your further question is no. I neither add to, not take away from anything the LORD said. People have imagined many things misinterpreting the Scriptures. They imagined all Jews were guilty for the death of Jesus, but if is blood were truly on all Jews and their children then they all have the atonement. Jeremiah specifically prophesied that children were not responsible for their own sins. Then we have the folly imagining everyone is an Apostle with everything Jesus said to them directly applying. Then we have the folly of Gentiles imagining that they are a Israel and that God has a covenant with their land to heal it. Could 2 Chron 7:14 also apply to a Gentile nations ? Yes, as a secondary application. It is written to Israel, the nation called after God with the name he chose and For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Beware the doctrine of Baalam.

I have a question. How can a Catholic be in a state of grace if such a one publicly denies the Catechism, such as keeping the commandments, and denies Vatican II ?

128 posted on 09/01/2014 6:46:20 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981
Jeremiah specifically prophesied that children were not responsible for their own parents' sins.
130 posted on 09/01/2014 7:06:14 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

1 John 2:22-23

who is the liar but he who denies Jesus is the Christ? this is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. NO ONE WHO DENIES THE SON HAS THE FATHER. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.

so John 8 would appear to apply to anyone, just not those particular Jews being addressed.


131 posted on 09/01/2014 7:29:09 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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