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To: CTrent1564
Except Saint Jerome, who new Greek better than you Mr Internet self professed ex Catholic theologian and he indeed translated the passage as “Ava Maria plena gratia”. So did Jerome not understand the nuances of the style of Greek that the NT was written in and it took Protestants, and in particular, American protestants 1,600 years to figure it out.

This simply is another example of the problem. As the RC must support Rome, so he/she uncritically follows men when they do so, and resorts to ad hominems and the unScriptural premise that unlettered men cannot be correct refuting scholars.

Yet i have already exposed Jerome as wresting Scripture to support his denigration of marriage (Gn. 2: "two is not a good number because it destroys unity, and prefigures the marriage compact. Hence it was that all the animals which Noah took into the ark by pairs were unclean. Odd numbers denote cleanness"), while it remains that in the Greek "full of grace" would be "plaras karitos" but i in Luke 1:28 it is "kexaritomena" which means "highly favored one," or graced, which the DRB inconsistently but rightly uses in Eph 1:6.

And evidently the translators of the official Catholic NAB Bible also thought they knew Greek better than Jerome, as they also render Lk. 1:28 as "Hail, favored one!"

,In contrast, the only one (though Stephen in Acts 6:8, in some mss) said to be full of grace is the Lord Jesus, "full ("plērēs) of grace (charis) and truth," (Jn. 1:14) using "plērēs," which denotes "full" 17 other places in the NT

Do not be like the scorning Pharisees, "Are ye also deceived? Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him?" (John 7:47-48)

584 posted on 08/30/2014 6:20:54 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

We are not talking about marriage, we are talking about Luke 1:28 an the other verses that deal with Mary. I provided the Saint Thomas Aquinias Patristic commentary “Catena Aurea” which has all the patristic commentaries on Luke Chapter 1. None, not one had an interpretation that fits Calvin, Knox, or Zwingli. Again, I gave you the theological commentaries on Luke Chapter 1 and it is not only Jerome’s views that are consistent with what I posted, Ambrose, Augustine, Basil and all the others as well.

Good day to you and please don’t post to me again. I have tried to remain as charitable as I can be towards you even though you have thrown the loaded term “cult” numerous times. So again, lets just be done here and please don’t post to me again. I will respond in kind.


589 posted on 08/31/2014 8:56:04 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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