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To: xone; narses; Salvation
"Even your example from the apostate elca, doesn't condone or endorse prayer TO the saints. Read what they said, not what your want it to say."

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Well, only if you don't count Luther as a Lutheran. Here I'll highlight that part for you again (from those same Lutherans at that same Lutheran link), so that you can't miss it this time:

"Luther supports praying with Mary and even to Mary"

And a more accurate response to the question "How many Lutheran denominations are there currently in the world" would at least include a count of these web-listed North American Lutheran denominations:

A
Alliance of Renewal Churches
American Association of Lutheran Churches
American Lutheran Church
Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church
Anti-Missourian Brotherhood
Apostolic Lutheran Church of America
Association of Confessional Lutheran Churches
Association of Evangelical Lutheran Churches
Association of Free Lutheran Congregations

C
Church of the Lutheran Brethren of America
Church of the Lutheran Confession
Concordia Lutheran Conference
Conference of the Norwegian-Danish Evangelical Lutheran Church of America

E
Eielsen Synod
English Evangelical Lutheran Synod of the Northwest
Evangelical Catholic Church
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
Evangelical Lutheran Conference & Ministerium of North America
Evangelical Lutheran Diocese of North America
Evangelical Lutheran Synod
Evangelical Synod of North America

F
Fellowship of Lutheran Christians

I
Independent Lutheran Diocese
International Lutheran Fellowship

L
Laestadian Lutheran Church
Latvian Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Lutheran Church in America
Lutheran Church–Canada
Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod
Saxon Lutheran immigration of 1838–39
Lutheran Churches of the Reformation
Lutheran Confessional Synod
Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ
Lutheran Free Church
Lutheran Ministerium and Synod – USA

N
National Evangelical Lutheran Church
North American Lutheran Church
Norwegian Augustana Synod
Synod of the Norwegian Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

O
Orthodox Lutheran Confessional Conference

P
Protestant Conference

S
Synod of Evangelical Lutheran Churches

U
United Evangelical Lutheran Church
United Lutheran Mission Association

W
Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod
World Confessional Lutheran Association

(To narses and Salvation: I noticed your interest in some of the other recent Marian threads, and thought you might be interested in the recent posts in this one also.)

138 posted on 08/24/2014 6:09:40 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Heart-Rest
"Luther supports praying with Mary and even to Mary"

Luther prayed to Mary when he was a Catholic, show me a sermon of his where he espoused the practice of praying TO Mary after he got into it with the Pope. Prayer to Mary isn't part of the Lutheran Confession and I linked to the Defense of the Augsburg Confession related to the Invocation of the Saints. What the apostate elca claims has as much legitimacy as LCWR speaking on Catholicism.

would at least include a count of these web-listed North American Lutheran denominations:

Lutheran is the Denomination, adherence to the Lutheran Confessions, the standard. To the extent that a body follows them, they are Lutheran. Otherwise they fool themselves like they have apparently fooled you. LCWR Catholic? 'Catholic' churches not in communion with Rome Catholic? 'Catholics' that don't recognize the Pope Catholic? Sedevacantists Catholic? They call themselves Catholic, and that is the same standard you apply to 'Lutherans' here. What's the difference?

142 posted on 08/24/2014 9:24:33 PM PDT by xone
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