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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; boatbums; CynicalBear; wmfights; Lee N. Field; redleghunter
if one doesn’t understand what “Israel” is in the Scriptures, everything goes off the rails from there.

Boy, do you ever got that one right. I won't tear up your whole post, but mainly focus upon this:

one example, Jeremiah 32:38-40 states Israel shall be his people and He will make an everlasting covenant with them. v.41 says he will plant them in this land.
is this future or has it been fulfilled? Dispensationalists say its future, “rome” or more properly the historical Christian faith, says Jesus has fulfilled this prophecy.

Context, context, context. This passage alone contains almost everything needed to answer your questions.

It is not speaking only to Israel corporately, but specifically to the House of Israel AND the House of Judah. The everlasting covenant is made with BOTH nations... BOTH 'wives'. The 'church', as you define it, cannot be BOTH. In fact, it MUST BE what it says it is.

Secondly, it speaks to the physical LAND - Not Jerusalem alone, but rather to ALL of the land, ALL of the cities... Thus it cannot be speaking of New Jerusalem. Contracts, buying and selling... Read on in 33 and it becomes utterly unmistakable.

The covenant is made with the two Houses. The two nations. The gentiles are grafted into this covenant. Do not boast against the branches.

The physical land will be restored (and that has been happening since 1948). And 33 shows a physical prosperity.

The people, for whom YHWH has wished evil, will be blessed, and YHWH will wish them good, and will deliver on EVERY promise he has ever given them.

This CANNOT be describing the Roman church. The Roman church has no right to the land. No claim in the land.

Israel IS the House of Judah and the House of Israel, with the gentiles grafted in. No doubt that began at the cross, but it is not done yet. 1948 (to the very day) and 1967 (to the very day), and all that has happened since, put Rome and 'historical Christian faith' to shame. Y'all should have seen it coming, not to mention that y'all should see it happening right before your very eyes.

Jer 32:32 Because of all the evil of the children of Israel and of the children of Judah, which they have done to provoke me to anger, they, their kings, their princes, their priests, and their prophets, and the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Jer 32:33 And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction.
Jer 32:34 But they set their abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it.
Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Jer 32:36 And now therefore thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, concerning this city, whereof ye say, It shall be delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence;
Jer 32:37 Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:
Jer 32:38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:
Jer 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
Jer 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
Jer 32:41 Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.
Jer 32:42 For thus saith the LORD; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them.
Jer 32:43 And fields shall be bought in this land, whereof ye say, It is desolate without man or beast; it is given into the hand of the Chaldeans.
Jer 32:44 Men shall buy fields for money, and subscribe evidences, and seal them, and take witnesses in the land of Benjamin, and in the places about Jerusalem, and in the cities of Judah, and in the cities of the mountains, and in the cities of the valley, and in the cities of the south: for I will cause their captivity to return, saith the LORD.

(e-Sword:KJV}

55 posted on 08/21/2014 2:36:02 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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Jer 32:38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God

who are God’s people today?


75 posted on 08/21/2014 4:20:48 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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