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To: boatbums; Iscool; wmfights; Lee N. Field; CynicalBear; af_vet_1981

first let me say Isaiah 66:7-9 does not sat Israel would be given land back or become a country.

second, I am disappointed that someone is linking to and apparently approving of a non-Christian web site that attacks historical, orthodox Christians. one example, they call the Trinity “pagan” and deny the deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. BUT, they do think Isaiah 66 says Israel will be given their land back. Great company to keep.

the problem still is no one will define Israel. the closest I can get ( but nobody will say it explicitly ) is that Israel is made up of physical Jews. so the OT promises where Jehovah makes certain “promises” to Israel, means these are promises to people with Hebrew DNA. do I have that right?

assuming I do, let’s look at another commonly used Scripture to prove God is not through with Israel and that’s Ezekiel 36:24-32. It’s too long for me to re-type ( long day at work ) , but I trust everyone reading this can read those verses quickly.
ok, v24 says I will take from the nations and give you your own land. Israel, right? 1948, right? well, think about it. does it says it will take “some” of Israel and give them their own land? NO! It says “you”, meaning ALL ISRAEL. well, did all Jews move to Israel in 1948? NO! my friend B. Rosenthal, lives in NJ. I can assure you he is as Jewish as Jewish gets, is he not part of Israel? Didn’t God keep his promise to B. Rosenthal?
next, v25 I will sprinkle clean water on you and clean you from all uncleannesses. WOW, when did that happen in 1948? this verse clearly is talking about baptism and the remission of sins. 99% of the people living in what is called Israel today deny Jesus Christ as the Son of God and have not had their sins forgiven.
one should start to get the sense we are not talking about physical land here, but spiritual land ( mansions? )
v26 he will give them a new heart and put his spirit in them. again, has this happened in Israel in 1948 or even today? NO! this is talking about regeneration, receiving the Holy Spirit. Hardly anyone in Israel has received the new birth. v28 “you shall be my people” who are God’s people today? according to 1 Peter 2:9, IT’S CHRISTIANS WHO ARE GOD’S PEOPLE. anyone who denies Jesus Christ was sent by the Father can not be called God’s people and Jesus said they would DIE IN THEIR SINS in John 8 ( and he was speaking to Jews )

so once you actually look at the Scriptures, the dispensational spin because absolutely silly and can’t hold up when you need to harmonize all the Scriptures together, not pick a verse here and there that mentions “land” and somehow think that means Israel.
there is a reason no one believed this folks before the 19th century.
it is amazing how the Scriptures warn over and over again about false teachers arising, even more so as Judgement Day approaches. but it doesn’t phase people in the least.

it’s called deception.

the dispensational fog won’t be lifted until one realizes that the Bible is a spiritual book all about one person, Jesus Christ and his mission to leave glory behind, become man, live a sinless perfect life, thus qualifying Himself to be the perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world and reconcile the elect to the Father in His Body by the power of the Holy Spirit. the Bible is not about who controls a plot of land in the Middle East. dispensationalists can’t tell types and shadows from the reality they portray.


45 posted on 08/20/2014 6:05:41 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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Read post 46. It should be obvious that it is Almighty God who knows who Israel is, after all, He was her husband and she was His wife. It's not up to you or me or your "friend" to make that selection FOR Him. We must simply trust that what God says He will do He WILL do. It's called "faith" for a reason.
47 posted on 08/20/2014 8:44:42 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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the dispensational fog won’t be lifted until one realizes that the Bible is a spiritual book all about one person, Jesus Christ and his mission to leave glory behind, become man, live a sinless perfect life, thus qualifying Himself to be the perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world and reconcile the elect to the Father in His Body by the power of the Holy Spirit. the Bible is not about who controls a plot of land in the Middle East. dispensationalists can’t tell types and shadows from the reality they portray.

The book is about a Kingdom...There's not a thing in your dissertation that portrays what those verses are speaking about...

Israel did become a nation in 1948...And they won't be leaving any time soon...The verses are literal...No allegories or metaphors...They are speaking of the Millenniel Jewish Kingdom that will be set up right after the Great Tribulation...A thousand years worth of it...

Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Act_1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Restore the kingdom??? There certainly are not talking about restoring a Catholic kingdom, are they??? Modern religious Jews know there is a physical Kingdom coming with a Messiah...The Jews that followed Jesus knew there was a physical Kingdom coming with a Messiah...And Christians who believe what God tells us know there is a physical Kingdom coming with a Messiah...

How did your religion ever talk you out of believing it???

54 posted on 08/21/2014 1:43:04 AM PDT by Iscool
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ok, v24 says I will take from the nations and give you your own land. Israel, right? 1948, right? well, think about it. does it says it will take “some” of Israel and give them their own land? NO! It says “you”, meaning ALL ISRAEL. well, did all Jews move to Israel in 1948? NO! my friend B. Rosenthal, lives in NJ. I can assure you he is as Jewish as Jewish gets, is he not part of Israel? Didn’t God keep his promise to B. Rosenthal? next, v25 I will sprinkle clean water on you and clean you from all uncleannesses. WOW, when did that happen in 1948? this verse clearly is talking about baptism and the remission of sins. 99% of the people living in what is called Israel today deny Jesus Christ as the Son of God and have not had their sins forgiven.

Keep watching. It is happening before your very eyes. Getting to this part really soon:

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Zec 12:4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.
Zec 12:5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.
Zec 12:6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
Zec 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Zec 12:11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
Zec 12:12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
Zec 12:13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
Zec 12:14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

the dispensational fog won’t be lifted until one realizes that the Bible is a spiritual book all about one person, Jesus Christ and his mission to leave glory behind, become man, live a sinless perfect life, thus qualifying Himself to be the perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world and reconcile the elect to the Father in His Body by the power of the Holy Spirit. the Bible is not about who controls a plot of land in the Middle East. dispensationalists can’t tell types and shadows from the reality they portray.

It is all that - But there is much more. Romanists will be astounded to find that every_single_word ever uttered by YHWH will certainly come to pass - Every jot and tittle. Every promise to Israel must be, NECESSARILY, lest YHWH be made a liar. It is as intrinsic and sure as the words uttered to bring forth all of creation.

56 posted on 08/21/2014 3:16:22 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
first let me say Isaiah 66:7-9 does not sat Israel would be given land back or become a country.
... let’s look at another commonly used Scripture to prove God is not through with Israel and that’s Ezekiel 36:24-32. It’s too long for me to re-type ( long day at work ) , but I trust everyone reading this can read those verses quickly. ok, v24 says I will take from the nations and give you your own land. Israel, right? 1948, right? well, think about it. does it says it will take “some” of Israel and give them their own land? NO! It says “you”, meaning ALL ISRAEL. well, did all Jews move to Israel in 1948? NO! my friend B. Rosenthal, lives in NJ. I can assure you he is as Jewish as Jewish gets, is he not part of Israel? Didn’t God keep his promise to B. Rosenthal?

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

One can side with Balaam and Balak to try to curse the nation of Israel, but that will be unprofitable, one can admit one does not have faith to believe God is working his plan for the redemption of the nation of Israel in our days, or one can endeavour to shew mercy to the nation of Israel as the Apostle to the Gentiles taught those Gentiles who were genuinely grafted into the good olive tree to do.

But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

57 posted on 08/21/2014 5:43:42 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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