Posted on 08/17/2014 10:21:22 AM PDT by wmfights
>> “what you call “the rapture” is the second coming of Jesus Christ at the end of the world” <<
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Negatory!
The rapture is the first resurrection, which takes place, as Yeshua told us in Matthew 24, at the end of the 3.5 year tribulation, at the last trump, ten days before the beginning of the millennial reign of King Yeshua, and his elect (the church in a loose way).
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Saying that Golda Mier never believed in Jesus BY ALL ACCOUNTS, does NOT tell anyone the condition of her heart, and thus makes it impossible to answer that question.
Peter, the guy you claim to be your first pope, says this......
Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Jesus says.....
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Jesus is the only way to God. Jew or Greek. Male or female. Slave or free.
Doesn't matter. No one who doesn't put their faith in Christ is saved.
Heritage doesn't matter. Works don't matter.
First you must not have read the scriptures I posted from Revelation 19-20 earlier. Clearly the text shows Christ coming WITH His bride and not for the bride. So this is the point where you must assert there is no gathering or rapture of believers as outlined in 1 Thessalonians 4.
Hey, that's essentially what your current pope is preaching.
Heck, he even says atheists can be saved if they obey their consciences.
You're wrong about what the rapture is.
It's not the second coming of Christ to the earth.
It proceeds it, Jesus coming to remove His bride b3efore the Tribulation.
When He actually comes back and touches down, that is the second coming and the beginning of the millennial reign.
Yet according to Revelation 19-20 the second coming occurs before Satan is loosed for a short time. Clearly it seems you want some scriptures to be LITERAL when suitable for your theories, but spiritualizing when convenient.
So goes the question: Were all the OT Messianic prophecies literally fulfilled?
>> “and be left outside the gate with wailing and gnashing of teeth ?”
“And here we’ve seen the arrogance of the Catholic church in stating that very thing.” <<
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The “catholic church” will be part of the gnashing, but Yeshua was quite clear in Matthew 7:23 that “many” will be there gnashing their teeth, and that they will be of those that once declared his name, and tasted of the opportunity for salvation, and he is backed up completely by Paul in Hebrews 3, 4, and 6, if you care to read those chapters (or not).
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LOL you do realize af_vet_1981 is Roman Catholic?
>> “was Golda Meir part of Israel as defined in the Bible?”
“was Golda Meir saved, assuming she never believed in Jesus Christ?” <<
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Would you be asking FReepers to play God?
Only Yehova knows Golda’s heart.
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I agree we are saved by God’s Grace. Good soldiers follow orders and obey. Ps. 119 (all of it) shows the heart of a faithful soldier in Christ.
Looks like.
It's their game of gotcha.
Then they can hit the abuse button on someone and accuse them of being anti-Semitic, and try to get them banned.
Correct it was Paul. However you have proved here not to know what is not scriptural about literal dispensationalism.
What exactly is not scriptural about a literal approach to prophetic scriptures? And who exactly is affirming that dispensationalism is doctrine?
Take the theoretical label of dispensationalism off for a moment and the stereotype of a sweating Alabama pastor in a blue polyester suit preaching it and what you get is an examination of Scriptures as revealed.
I am persuaded God will fulfill every promise made. And every promise will be fulfilled both spirituality and physically in Christ Jesus.
Sure your questions in post #77 only the Holy Spirit can answer.
This is how Jesus Christ answered the question:
John 3:6-8 NASB
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Oranges and pecans as Fr. Sullivan my Jesuit debate teacher would say. Why? Because in one book, Revelation, specific terms and words are used. Did I seem dogmatic in my statements? No I said it was curious.
I will surely ping you when the Prots and Evangelicals debate the FRJWs on the Trinity and Deity of Jesus Christ. The only Catholics who show up to those discussions seems to be Salvation and the gentleman pinged above.
Good I agree there is a rapture. And the scriptures provided show this to happen sometime before the second coming.
The word “rapture” is not in the Bible.
deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus
Or at least that is what Jerome translated from the Greek word 'harpazo' So it is there.
So where is it in the Bible?
Be sure to provide the English translation when it is not commonly known.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. 41Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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