Posted on 08/12/2014 3:09:02 PM PDT by TradicalRC
Are you just trying to confuse the issue and make it harder for decent people to get a bead on Pope Francis?
I'm sorry, what issue is it that your accusing me of trying to confuse?
“No doctrine has changed or will be changed because of what Francis might have said to a woman. End of story.”
What have you really said here? You have said that, because a short conversation between the Pope and a laywoman is unlikely to result in changes to Church doctrine, it therefore follows that Francis has no intent to bring about such changes. End of story.
What? Really?
Utter nonsense.
One can accept the obvious truth that this short conversation is not likely to change doctrine without in any way falling for the nonsensical assertion that Francis is planning no changes in doctrine
The priest at the church near me almost peed his pants rejoicing at Benedict’s exit and Francis’s election.
And that was specifically because he—and everyone else with half a brain—can see that Francis is a theological leftist and will be encouraging all sorts of things that no faithful priest would condone.
What are some of the things that Francis would like to see, and will bring about if he can?
1. Women priests.
2. Even before that can be introduced, women “pastors” who take charge of a diocese in the absence of a priest.
3. Prohibition of the Tridentine Mass.
4. Prohibition of Latin in every possible context.
5. Divorce.
6. Provision of the Eucharist to unrepentant, flaming sodomites.
7. Sodomite play-pretend marriage.
8. Misuse of Catholic social justice theology to support communism and, ultimately, the removal of the Catholic Church as an obstacle to establishment of the communist worker’s paradise throughout the world.
9. The flushing of all remaining scraps of reverence out of the Mass.
10. Malicious mistranslation of Church documents with the intent of robbing them of their power to move hearts.
11. The increased use of horrible, horrible anti-music at Mass, until Catholic music passes from living memory.
12. The promotion of bad theology that endangers the immortal souls of all Catholics.
13. Vicious persecution of all who oppose any of these goals, just as SSPX was persecuted under JPII for their efforts to keep liturgical Latin and the Tridentine Mass alive.
These are just a few of the things that the enemies of the Church are determined to bring about.
“I love how you ignored my comment about his frequent praying with non-Catholics such as Muslims, Lutherans and Jews in addition to his novel resignation. Maybe if you ignore it it will go away.”
Explaining the obvious again and again just makes me very tired. I was harboring a faint hope that you would see for yourself the fatal flaws in this childish attack and spare me having to type it in again.
“I’m sorry, what issue is it that your accusing me of trying to confuse?”
Don’t play innocent.
Or do, I don’t care. I used to love exposing sophistry, but now I’m just tired of it. Done with you.
I really don’t know what you think I’m trying to confuse here. If you can’t seem to point it out then I imagine you really don’t have something worthwhile to say. You really shouldn’t accuse another of something if you can’t support it.
As for your being done with me? Totally works for me too.
I really think you misunderstood me based on your post #62 to NKPVet. I tend to agree with you about Francis.
“is a theological leftist”?????? I needed a good laugh.
No abortion, no women ordaination, no homosexual “marriage”. No communion unless your first marriage is annulled. Francis will not change any of this teachings? The reason? They are the Word of God. The doctrine of the Catholic Church is not up to the personal whims of any particular person. Doctrine is not determined by a show of hands. The Catholic Church does not change to appease the people. The Catholic Church can not change what God has declared. If you’re a Catholic you of all people should know this.
Oh go ahead and say it Pope Francis is the anti-Christ. The Holy Spirit has really selected someone to lead His church that’s not really a Catholic. Afterall he believes in no Catholic doctrine which means he is either the anti-Christ or a heretic just waiting for the right chance to convert to protestantism.
“The Catholic Church does not change to appease the people.”
Which is why we have altar girls, communion in the paw, a defective liturgy, confession once a week if you’re lucky, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
You should read what I wrote about theological leftism, very carefully. And give a very careful reading to Pascendi Dominici Gregis.
“Which is why we have altar girls, communion in the paw, a defective liturgy, confession once a week if you’re lucky, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera”.
None of the above is doctrine. It is practices put in place by local priests............and lazy bishops not calling them out on it.
” It is practices put in place by local priests............and lazy bishops not calling them out on it.”
It is just exactly what you said doesn’t happen.
Off.
Your replies make no sense whatsover. If you can’t comprehend what I’m saying, please don’t reply.
Sad story. Sorry to see how it ended.
I saw a picture yesterday from one of our local parishes with 30+ altar boys and acolytes in it. The person in charge of the altar boys said that he thinks 8 out of the 30 will become priests.
Get rid of the altar girls!!!!!
Once again you are mistaken. It was Pope St. John Paul II who introduced the novelty of altar chickettes" in 1994.
From the point of view of liturgical law, an official interpretation of Canon 230, Paragraph 2, of the Code of Canon law on the possibility of delegating certain liturgical offices led to a 1994 letter from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments clarifying that girls may serve at the altar.
Despite the following:
Inaestimabile donum 18: "There are, of course, various roles that women can perform in the liturgical assembly: these include reading the Word of God and proclaiming the intentions of the Prayer of the Faithful. Women are not, however, permitted to act as altar servers".
Liturgicae Instaurationes 7. In conformity with norms traditional in the Church, women (single, married, religious), whether in churches, homes, convents, schools, or institutions for women, are barred from serving the priest at the altar".
- See more at: http://www.adoremus.org/0302Altargirls.html#sthash.z9LQPoT5.dpuf
“Your replies make no sense whatsover.”
Sure they do. But ending this conversation suits me just fine.
I was wrong, but priests DO NOT have to use girls at the altar, and I know parish priests that refuse to use them.
“In granting the permission the Pope gave to each bishop the full authority to decide whether pastoral circumstances in his diocese necessitated the authorization of altar girls. In an interpretation of this ruling, the Pontifical Commission for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts has stated, with papal approval, that even if a bishop permits altar girls in his diocese, priests are not required to use them.
http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/altar_girls.htm
“Inaestimabile donum 18: “There are, of course, various roles that women can perform in the liturgical assembly: these include reading the Word of God and proclaiming the intentions of the Prayer of the Faithful. “
1st Corinthians 14 -34-37
Let your women keep silence in the churches — for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
The essence was a sacrifice, not a meal. That would be Protestantism.
If I wanted to be Orthodox, I’d go to the Greek Church. I’m Roman Catholic. Hebrew is cool too but of the three I’d go with the Traditional Roman Catholic tongue which is Latin. BTW, ALL of these languages were nailed to the cross: no others.
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