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To: sasportas; Boogieman; Phinneous
Which Torah are you talking about, the ten commandments alone, the 613 commandments, the Talmud, the Zohar and associated Kabbalist writings? Some Rabbis say the “Torah” should be broadened to include these other things.

Torah encompasses all those things. And since "you guys" insist that the Torah includes the "new testament," your feigned insistence that Torah only means the Written Torah is hypocritical.

I think boogieman got it pegged, you guys will accept anything, even forbidden occultic philosophical beliefs, before you will the gospel.

I'm not Jewish. And I used to be a chrstian. So your assumptions are untrue.

The Jews were assembled at Sinai and given THE TORAH. They were not given the qur'an. They were not given the book of mormon. They were not given the "new testament." Therefore they must reject islam, mormonism, and more traditional forms of chrstianity. They must adhere to the Torah given at Sinai--Written and Oral (the Written Torah consists of nothing but a string of consonants with no vowels or punctuation and is therefore incomprehensible without the Oral Torah). None of your bugbears (Talmud, Qabbalah, etc.) claim to "replace" the Torah, and Talmudists and Qabbalists observe the same Torah that was given at Sinai. Chrstians do not observe the Torah at all, and even if they did chrstianity would still be a false, unauthorized innovation. And you forget that chrstianity has its own oral traditions and its own "occult" teachings.

If you truly believe that chrstianity is true then I understand why your conscience compels you to observe it (whichever of the seven hundred kazillion varieties floats your boat). But chrstians believe in chrstianity based on the authority of the chrstian church or of the "new testament"--NOT the Torah from Sinai. At least be honest enough to admit this and don't claim to see chrstianity's authorization at Sinai. It was no more authorized there than islam was.

53 posted on 08/12/2014 9:45:03 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Seven hundred Kazillion varieties of Christianity, as opposed to Judaism which has no varieties? The Jewish Karaite man I conversed with would disagree, Karaite Judaism considers your extra-Biblical Talmud and Kabbalah an utter subversion of Biblical Judaism, he said it was occult mysticism, a witchcraft abomination. He brought this passage to my attention applying it to your "variety" of Judaism:

Deut. 18

9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

57 posted on 08/12/2014 12:11:22 PM PDT by sasportas
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