Posted on 08/10/2014 10:55:09 AM PDT by wmfights
Christ dwells in our hearts through faith. Baptism, getting wet, does not put one in Christ.
you made the same mistake several of us made. He or she is not a Catholic, which became evident later after I introduced the Catholic catechism into evidence. My guess is church of Christ but it could be another super secessionist denomination, sect, movement or cult.
My point was the introduction in James leaves no doubt.
Saints and apostles? Who is arguing against that?
concur, it is obvious what diaspora means in all three places and James makes it crystal clear. Saints and apostles? Who is arguing against that?
I thought perhaps you objected to my "James" reference instead of "St. James" :)
Ah. LOL. I used an online Catholic Bible from my Bible app:)
An older DRA version. So more formal for our modern eyes. I think it is the same DRA version my parents read from at home at night before prayers.
GG: Let me ‘correct’ this comment...’They are seeing Catholics, including the Pope, falling into liperalism and acting in complete defiance of Scripture.’
I did not include the RCC in the original comment because they are way past the point of no return. They embraced a figurative system of interpretation and rejected Scripture as the rule of the faith long ago. The Protestant churches were united in their belief in Sola Scriptura, but the "baggage" they carried with them when they rejected Romanism included a figurative interpretation of prophecy and a replacement theology. Now we see the fruits of this in their churches.
As their churches fall away I still believe a great many of the conservative Reformed who still hold to the belief in Sola Scriptura will see the truth in premillennialism and join the most consistantly conservative Christian Churches, the Evangelical Christians.
True, while the way some RCs talk you would think Catholic teaching does not hold Jews as a special distinct people for which God will do a special work of grace.
674 The glorious Messiah's coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by "all Israel", for "a hardening has come upon part of Israel" in their "unbelief" toward Jesus.569
The "full inclusion" of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation, in the wake of "the full number of the Gentiles",572 will enable the People of God to achieve "the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ", in which "God may be all in all".573
675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576 -http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c2a7.htm
Well that was very premillenial of the catechism. Proof of point one should read their mail first:)
Thanks for posting the catechism. It was good for us to agree on what we can agree on. Catholic teaching does not attribute a label so I will not call it amillennial(although it is closer to that now), and it holds that premillennialism cannot be safely taught. In the 1940s, the Vatican declared that “millenarianism,” another term for “premillennialism,” cannot be safely taught (see Catechism, no. 676).
I simply don't know yet which eschatological view will be revealed as true later. I just know it will happen and I eagerly wait for the coming of Messiah according to the Scriptures. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
While Rome has not dogmatically defined this issue, it rejects postmillennialism and holds to one form of Amillennialism:
676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,577 especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.578
And upholds tribulationism:
677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.579 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.580 God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.581
This preterist defines the different positions though as a tentative postribulationist disagree with his conclusion, but in which he states,
Dispensational Premillennialism is considered by the non-dispensationalist to be a system of interpretation that came into existence during the early 1500's as a counter-reformation that was administered by the Roman Catholic Church. A group in the Catholic church called Jesuits were the leaders of this movement. Their proper title is the "Society of Jesus." They were first called, Compania de Jesus, which is Spanish for "Military Company of Jesus." In 1585, a Jesuit priest named Francisco Ribera started a theory that the Pope could not be the Antichrist or Man of Sin, because that was yet to happen in the future. He took the Seventy Weeks of Daniel and originated the Gap Theory, which will be discussed later. Ribera was later aided by two other Jesuits, Cardinal Robert Bellarmine and Luis de Alcazar. Later this theory was expanded through the efforts of many others, and especially through the efforts of John N. Darby of the Plymouth Brethren, and C. I. Scofield of the Presbyterians. The Dispensationalist, however, conceive of their beliefs either as a needed refinement of historical premillennialism or as rediscovered truth. They differ so much from other premillennialists that writers often list them as a separate group rather than as an alternate form of premillennialism. The following is a list of the distinctive beliefs of the dispensationalists. http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/eschatology/eschatol.shtml
back from a short weekend break and see you are posting on the Sabbath day. does that violate the commandment?
the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
the absolute shame of dispensationalism is the teaching dishonors Jesus Christ and His establishing the new covenant in His blood, thus making the first obsolete.
so those who reject the historical Christian faith that Jesus fulfilled the Jeremiah prophecy as the writer of Hebrews so clearly explains in Chapters 8 and 9, are looking for another covenant with “Israel”.
lets see what else Jeremiah had to say and see if it is future or Jesus fulfilled it:
32:37-40 behold, I will gather them from all the countries to which I drove them in my anger and my wrath and my indignation; I will bring them back into this place and I will make them dwell in safety. and they shall be my people and I will be their God. I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear me forever for their own good and their children after them. I will make with them an everlasting covenant that I will not turn away from doing good to them and I will put fear of me in their hearts that they may not turn from me.
future??? hardly.
he has gathered the lost sheep of Israel from every country where the Gospel has gone forth, just as he commanded in Matthew 28. those in Christ dwell securely and we dwell in safety knowing Jesus will lose no one the Father has given Him ( John 6:35-40 ) He has given us a new heart, with the Spirit of the living God written on our hearts for all men to see ( 2 Cor 3:2-3 ) and most importantly, He has given us “one way”, Jesus Christ Himself ( John 14:6 )finally, He gave us the eternal covenant in His blood and since this covenant is eternal, it results in our inheritance being eternal ( Hebrews 9:15 )
what an insult to say there is some future covenant with Israel. Jesus Christ is the new and everlasting covenant, there is nothing to do but believe that and drop this 19th century foolishness.
it’s off topic, but I always find it interesting people who attack the Catholic Faith as false, always use the Catholic Fathers if they think it’s supports them in some way.
for example, I could never see myself citing Joseph Smith for any reason, since he and I could not take the Lord’s Supper together. “keeping company” is not the test, the Eucharist is.
Christ dwells in our hearts through faith. Baptism, getting wet, does not put one in Christ
hmm, St Paul says it does in Galatians 3:27 and Romans 6:1-4. In fact, I can’t find anywhere in the Scriptures where one is placed “in Christ”, other than by baptism.
finally it’s sad that there are those that claim baptism makes someone “wet”, when St Peter says it “now saves you”.
And the remnant of the promise can just as easily be grafted back in
that is correct, and if they are not grafted back then they are not part of Israel. the country called Israel in the middle east probably is made up of 99% people while having Jewish blood, reject the new covenant in Jesus’s blood, therefore they have not been grafted back in and therefore they are not part of Israel as Paul explains in Romans. ( are you listening dispensationalists? )
Do you think that there will be no new heavens and new earth wherein dwells righteousness? Do you imagine the world is right now at peace, there are no wars, swords have been replaced with plowshares, babies play near adder nests, bears and lions sleep besides lambs and calves??? Boy, will YOU ever be surprised!
Not water baptism.
If water baptism saved, then Christ died for nothing.
All people would have to do is be wetted down, and they'd be good to go.
it is interesting that those who follow the 16th century tradition of men, rather than the Apostolic Faith found in the Scriptures, use the term “water baptism”.
the Scriptures never use this term and never use the term “spirit baptism”. the Scriptures only speak of “baptism”.
because just as there is only One Lord, and One Faith, there is only ONE BAPTISM.
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