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To: Hetty_Fauxvert; jalisco555; markomalley
Hetty, this one's for you, too: #14.

I unreservedly wish the best for you and your children.God bless you, and may they thrive in your love and care.

It's not a question of whether the children are good. The children are good, period --- whether or not they are smart, cute, funny, or future conservatives. A child is good per se, no matter what the circumstances of his begetting and birthing.

But the separate and distinct thing we want to consider, is whether the way in which he was conceived is good.

Because --- as you and I know, as everybody knows --- there are regrettable ways that a child can be conceived, and we can find some of those ways morally objectionable, even if we would find the child a sheer delight.

Children are conceived by silly drunk foolin' around by college students, by prostitution, by reproductive concubinage (surrogacy), by rape, by artificial insemination of single women and lesbians, in acts of anger, in acts of greed, in acts of sexual jihad, in acts of marital deception, in laboratory procedures linked to commercial transactions.

About that last one: is it not true that the IVF lab/clinic would consider it their "ethical" responsibility to discard any human zygote they found to be affectd by some sort of defect, before implantation?

And is it not true that IVF produces offspring which are regarded by law as property rather than as persons? (If you have any doubts, take a good hard look at "Davis vs Davis" Maryville TN embryo case LINK)

Is it not true that, as a result, human embryos can legally be bought, sold, bequeathed to somebody as part of an estate, manipulated with intentionally lethal results, given away, regarded as a tortuous offense in a wrongful birth case, stored like a dubious package at the back of the freezer, or discarded?

We can affirm the God-Blessed existence of the child, without approving of the way he was conceived. "Reproductive circumstances" and "valuing the child" are two separate issues.

Everyone can sincerely wish IVF parents and their children well, without thinking the laboratory concoction and/or commercial reproduction of children is a good thing .

25 posted on 08/04/2014 7:54:29 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child who's got his own." Arthur Herzog Jr. / Billie Holiday)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well stated Mrs. Don-o. I have to wonder, where is the option of adoption? So many children in need, so many left to fall into the hands of so few to care for them.


26 posted on 08/04/2014 9:22:45 AM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The premise, “A child’s existence is a good. Therefore, all means of conceiving a child are good,” fails as soon as you say, “Rape.”

A person who wants to argue that IVF, specifically, is a good means of conception needs to address the arguments that it is an immoral means of conception. I don’t see anyone doing so; however, the work day makes it hard to FReep if your work isn’t watching little boys play Lego.

Of course, one can simply assert that IVF is good and then call people names if they disagree, no matter how polite and reasonable their disagreement is.


30 posted on 08/04/2014 1:17:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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