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To: ealgeone
2KI 2:11"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." -vs- JOH 3:13"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man."

Who took Elijah up to Heaven?.. How do we get to Heaven?...

No contradiction here.


Ah, but that's not what it says. It says "No man hath ascended up to heaven but He that came down from heaven."

It doesn't say "No man except Elijah."

Mind you, that doesn't rattle me. Elijah evidently went bodily up to heaven instead of rotting in the grave here below-- and without dying, though as a sinner he would have had to die, right? Elijah was a sinner, et he did not die; he went bodily to heaven even though Christ had not yet come to pay he substitutionary price to open the gates of heaven, either. One would think Elijah would have had to go to the shadowy place of waiting, the netherworld, sheol, the bosom of Abraham, right? But no, God evidently makes an exception for him.

The rest of us, the saved, are going to go to heaven bodily, after the resurrection of our bodies --- even though out bodies have rotten in the gracve, or been eaten by sharks, or whatever --- because Jesus will bring this about by His own power.

I also believe in the Assumption of Mary. No contradiction!

173 posted on 07/31/2014 2:33:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o
2KI 2:11"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." -vs- JOH 3:13"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." Who took Elijah up to Heaven?.. How do we get to Heaven?... No contradiction here. Ah, but that's not what it says. It says "No man hath ascended up to heaven but He that came down from heaven." It doesn't say "No man except Elijah." Mind you, that doesn't rattle me. Elijah evidently went bodily up to heaven instead of rotting in the grave here below-- and without dying, though as a sinner he would have had to die, right? Elijah was a sinner, et he did not die; he went bodily to heaven even though Christ had not yet come to pay he substitutionary price to open the gates of heaven, either. One would think Elijah would have had to go to the shadowy place of waiting, the netherworld, sheol, the bosom of Abraham, right? But no, God evidently makes an exception for him. The rest of us, the saved, are going to go to heaven bodily, after the resurrection of our bodies --- even though out bodies have rotten in the gracve, or been eaten by sharks, or whatever --- because Jesus will bring this about by His own power. I also believe in the Assumption of Mary. No contradiction!

Again....keep John 3 in context and there's no problem with these two verses.

The Assumption of Mary is again speculation at best. Could God do this? Yes.

Does the Bible say He did? Not with Mary.

We have to be very, very careful in announcing these dogmas as the RCC has done with Mary.

If not, it opens the door to future claims by the RCC, or others for that matter, in this arena and other areas that do not have Biblical support.

Mormonism is a good example of this.

179 posted on 07/31/2014 6:16:58 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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