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To: pastorbillrandles
To avoid the "Jews-deserve-it" conclusions many make, why not wait until after the present crisis to write things like this? Although you may not intend it, many in the Jews-are-Christ-killers camp love to think that Jews being in desperate times is required for Messiah to show up. It's all the Jooooz fault that Messiah has not appeared.

Perhaps what restrains Messiah's arrival is YOUR own sin. Perhaps the sin of all of us...
3 posted on 07/26/2014 10:47:22 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat

“To avoid the “Jews-deserve-it” conclusions many make, why not wait until after the present crisis to write things like this?”

He is writing about what God Himself already inspired.


4 posted on 07/26/2014 10:54:11 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Tzfat
Jews-are-Christ-killers camp

I am an evangelical Christian and, of all the thousands and thousands of Christians I have met, I have never encountered one of those. They may exist, but they are certainly not evangelical.

Perhaps they are Christian in name only like Obama.

9 posted on 07/26/2014 11:16:46 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: Tzfat; pastorbillrandles

I don’t understand your point of view. Pastor Bill is teaching from Scripture.

I say this with all respect: don’t be so defensive when it comes to sin. We’re all guilty of it and we all deserve God’s wrath, Gentile and Jew alike. Nobody is attempting to denigrate Israel.


15 posted on 07/26/2014 12:28:13 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Tzfat; pastorbillrandles
Perhaps what restrains Messiah's arrival is YOUR own sin. Perhaps the sin of all of us...

This is part of why I stepped away from standard pre-trib dispensationalism. It doesn't make sense to me that the Jews are to withstand the wrath of the Father, any more than Christians (the gifts and callings of YHWH are irrevocable)- I think we are in this thing together until just before the bowls and vials (the actual wrath of YHWH poured out). I think that by that time, some earth-shaking event (probably Ps83 or the War of Magog) will turn national Israel toward the Father, and reveal Messiah... And through her, Christianity will get a huge wake-up call. ALL of His people will be gathered by the time Messiah comes for His Bride.

It is the same thing all over again - 'whosoever kills you (and/or me) will think he is doing YHWH service'... It's coming again - With bells on - And I think we are all in for it.

18 posted on 07/26/2014 1:05:46 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Tzfat

I do not believe that the Jews are Christ Killers, where did you hear that? I believe that the Messiah “came unto his own and his own recieved him not...”


19 posted on 07/26/2014 1:47:45 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (The choice isn't heaven or Hell. its heaven or the world)
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