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To: michaelwlf3
I don’t know how to break this to you, but historically, they are! Knowing this caused John Henry Newman to convert to Catholicism, and it nearly caused me to convert. To think that there will be no sin at all in a Church of 1.2 billion is incredibly naive. Men are sinful, people need to come to grips with that, and not look to men, but to Christ.

What is it you imagine you are "breaking" to me??? It should be patently obvious that the Roman Catholic church - and ANY Christian church/assembly - is not the one, true church Jesus established since the Bride of Christ is the redeemed from all peoples, tongues and nations. THE church is all the saved, born again believers in Christ and affiliation with their chosen place of worship does not automatically confer salvation. Roman Catholicism took the adjective "catholic", meaning universal or of the whole, which was NEVER used by the Apostles and didn't come into use until the second century, and presumed to be the ONLY true one, denying even the Eastern Orthodox (at one time) as being a legitimate Christian church. Now, I admit that some denominations are better at teaching, holding to and preserving the truth than others, but Jesus' body is a "spiritual house", as Peter said, and we all are stones being built up into it.

When the secular world looks at the hypocrisy of the RCC, they aren't looking at the laity, they see rot coming from the very top of the hierarchy going back nearly from the start of the church of Rome claiming primacy over all churches. For an organization to make such claims of exclusivity, infallibility and chosen status from God, a much higher expectation of goodness and piety isn't unreasonable. Jesus even said unto whom much is given much is required. Imagine Chik-fil-a - with all the latest hoopla over one of the founder's rejection of homosexual marriage - if it was discovered that that same founder was homosexual and had left his wife and kids and was living with his lover of the past thirty years? Would the secularists have cause to criticize and accuse him of being a hypocrite? I'd say even Christians would agree he was and it would be a scandal. That really IS the point and not that it is expected for all Catholics to be impeccable.

John Henry Newman came up with the doctrine of development to explain the reason why so many RCC doctrines were not as the early church held and had changed. A good article discussing this is HERE, if you're interested. For someone who claims to not be a Catholic, you sure are defensive of them a lot. I get the impression that you have already "converted" and wonder why you lack the courage to admit it.

1,038 posted on 08/01/2014 9:22:44 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums; daniel1212

Very interesting link. Reads like something D1212 wrote.


1,039 posted on 08/01/2014 10:52:30 PM PDT by xone
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