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Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

Posted on 07/26/2014 4:41:46 AM PDT by michaelwlf3

I am coming up on my first year as an ordained minister in a continuing Anglican church, and I have noticed that participating on political forums (even when the topic is religious) I find that my opinions and postings more often than not generate more hatred than anything else. Among the things I often hear are that the laity are the real priests and that I am a Pharisee, that my vocation disqualifies me from offering an opinion on anything Christian because I am too narrow minded, and (my personal favorite) because I look too Catholic I must be a child molester.

Are these people really Christians?


TOPICS: Ecumenism; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: cathvsprot; clergy; laity; sectarianturmoil; theology; whiningwhiners
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To: daniel1212

“Thus you have rendered your own responses as , nonsensical irrelevancy, and unfit for meaningful exchange, and provided more evidence why one should not be a RC.”

Well, you do have the ability to declare victory at the drop of a hat, in conflicts in which only you are participating.


541 posted on 07/28/2014 12:24:15 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: metmom
Don’t be hypocritical and accept *doctrinal development8 for some thing snot mentioned by name in Scripture and not others.

How is that hypocritical? The development of doctrine is not an exercise in equivalency where one can say, "what's good for the goose..." This understanding is nothing but a modern invention.

If it works for the eucharist, the papacy, the Trinity, and a whole host of other doctrines, then it’s inconsistent and hypocritical to disallow doctrines y’all don’t like, just because you don’t like them.

It's not about liking. It's about Truth. This is just another example of the protestant penchant to substitute truth for preference. There is but one authority charged with defining doctrine and that's the Catholic Church. No other individual or organization has that authority.

But that's the crux of the matter. If one accepts doctrines that have been developed from Scripture and Tradition then they must accept the material sufficiency of scripture and yield to the traditional authority that formally defined them.

542 posted on 07/28/2014 12:34:34 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011
Is this one of thos examples of utilizing the internet postings of other parties as evidential to confirming the assured veracity of one's own infallible conclusions?

In a word, no .

"Produce your cause, saith the Lord; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob." (Isaiah 41:21)

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord.." (Isaiah 1:18)

543 posted on 07/28/2014 1:35:03 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: G Larry
Sue me.... Do you have a problem with the content that is relevant to this discussion?

That is simply more avoidance. My comment about posting of a papal polemic without attribution to the source, which you failed to express fault for, was merely one sentence out of an over 800 word response by me, that is indeed relevant to this discussion.

But which you ignored and instead majored on defending your plagiarism.

544 posted on 07/28/2014 2:25:39 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: JPX2011; G Larry
Is that so? I don't see an attempt to take credit for another's work, which is one of the required elements for plagiarism. So now we have an undocumented definition, while pasting the apparent source leaves out the whole description:

pla·gia·rism: an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author (emp. mine) http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plagiarism

pla·gia·rize: : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source. - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plagiarize

And while as an RC you may not see an attempt to take credit for the work of another, the fact is that unless otherwise attributed, then it is assumed to be that of the poster.

And i do not even see a matter of simply reiteration of some ideas as an issue, but this was blatant pasting of over 400 words from another source without any indication that it was even a copy paste job, except by discerning a contrast btwn the the normal style and ability seen from the poster.

Nor am i the one that made this The Issue, but my comment about posting of a papal polemic without attribution to the source was merely one sentence out of an over 800 word response, which was ignored in any subsequent responses.

Perhaps you owe Larry an apology

Insolence. Rather, that this is what both of you owe.

545 posted on 07/28/2014 2:26:22 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: metmom
I have never met anyone who is so good at making presumptions at what others say as Catholics.

Then I suggest a long look in the mirror.

546 posted on 07/28/2014 3:01:23 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: daniel1212; G Larry
So now we have an undocumented definition, while pasting the apparent source leaves out the whole description:

Are we to now post references to commonly used words? Besides what you emphasized imputes motive.

And while as an RC you may not see an attempt to take credit for the work of another, the fact is that unless otherwise attributed, then it is assumed to be that of the poster.

My being an "RC" has nothing to do with it. Taken to its logical conclusion I suppose plagiarism is in the eye of the beholder, particularly based on one's confession of faith. Besides it's an assumption on your part.

Nor am i the one that made this The Issue, but my comment about posting of a papal polemic without attribution to the source was merely one sentence out of an over 800 word response, which was ignored in any subsequent responses.

You made it an issue when you imputed a motive to deceive on the part of another poster. Is that not what plagiarism is? Deception? Or must I reference a definition that uses that word? As an aside, by what authority do you appeal that demands that your particular brand of polemic merits a response?

Insolence. Rather, that this is what both of you owe.

in·so·lence noun \ˈin(t)-s(ə-)lən(t)s\[1]

Definition of INSOLENCE

1: the quality or state of being insolent

Definition of INSOLENT

in·so·lent adjective \ˈin(t)-s(ə-)lənt\ [2]

1: rude or impolite : having or showing a lack of respect for other people

Nothing rude or impolite about my response. I trust this meets your level of scholarship, however.

[1] "Insolence." Merriam-Webster.com. Merriam-Webster, n.d. Web. 28 July 2014. .

[2] "Insolent." Merriam-Webster.com. Merriam-Webster, n.d. Web. 28 July 2014. .

547 posted on 07/28/2014 3:08:08 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: Elsie; CynicalBear
GMTAAFSD
548 posted on 07/28/2014 3:10:46 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: MamaB

WOW!


549 posted on 07/28/2014 3:19:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
I really wish you would learn to express your thoughts better so that mind reading isn't necessary.

It appears to be a quick read...

550 posted on 07/28/2014 3:20:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Don’t be hypocritical and accept *doctrinal development8 for some thing snot mentioned by name in Scripture and not others.

pot meet kettle photo: Pot meet kettle potmeetkettle_zpsef4f9c15.jpg

551 posted on 07/28/2014 3:21:42 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: Salvation

It’s GOOD that GOD is with us through all of our trials: whether Catholic or Protestant.


552 posted on 07/28/2014 3:21:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
Sola scriptura can be scary sometimes.

It's GOOD that GOD is with us through all of our trials: whether Catholic or Protestant.

553 posted on 07/28/2014 3:22:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPX2011

Oops!

The about should have include you; J


554 posted on 07/28/2014 3:22:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPX2011

ABOVE


555 posted on 07/28/2014 3:23:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPX2011
Sarcasm is for weak-minded individuals looking to intellectually pleasure themselves at the expense of others.

Nah...

It's directed toward Strong-minded individuals who are so cock sure that their chosen religion is teaching what is essential and any others are mere posers.

556 posted on 07/28/2014 3:26:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
It's GOOD that GOD is with us through all of our trials: whether Catholic or Protestant.

Good Morning Elsie. I think we can both agree on that. Amen.

557 posted on 07/28/2014 3:26:37 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: dsc
No, sorry, just can’t muster up a give-a-heck.

Maybe YOU can't; but he sure seems to live rent free in a LOT of Catholic FReeper's minds!

558 posted on 07/28/2014 3:27:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dsc
Well, you do have the ability to declare victory at the drop of a hat, in conflicts in which only you are participating.

Heh heh heh...

559 posted on 07/28/2014 3:31:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Maybe YOU can't; but he sure seems to live rent free in a LOT of Catholic FReeper's minds!

I'm reminded of a Dennis Miller skit about President Bush & Iraq: "At least he rolled the dice. And there can be no second guesser unless there's a first guesser.

560 posted on 07/28/2014 3:33:10 AM PDT by JPX2011
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