Do the post police also shoot dogs, or just themselves in the foot?
Posted on 07/26/2014 4:41:46 AM PDT by michaelwlf3
I am coming up on my first year as an ordained minister in a continuing Anglican church, and I have noticed that participating on political forums (even when the topic is religious) I find that my opinions and postings more often than not generate more hatred than anything else. Among the things I often hear are that the laity are the real priests and that I am a Pharisee, that my vocation disqualifies me from offering an opinion on anything Christian because I am too narrow minded, and (my personal favorite) because I look too Catholic I must be a child molester.
Are these people really Christians?
As usual, this empty RC attempt at dismissal only testifies to the absence of any refutation.
Ah...You’re catching on!
The Catholic Church IS where you find the truth, as there can be only one.
Matt 16:17-19, Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven. Whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Messiah.
The meaning of this passage does not seem to have been challenged by any writer until the rise of the sixteenth-century heresies. Since then a great variety of interpretations have been put forward by Protestant controversialists. These agree in little, save in the rejection of the plain sense of Christ’s words. Some Anglican controversy tends to the view that the reward promised to St. Peter consisted in the prominent part taken by him in the initial activities of the Church, but that he was never more than primus inter pares among the Apostles. It is manifest that this is quite insufficient as an explanation of the terms of Christ’s promise.
Then how do you explain the wide variety of Protestant interpretations of Scripture.
Uniting agains Catholics is no proof that any particular Protestant interpretation is more accurate.
“Now someone will claim that the HS can ONLY work through Magisterium approved methods and structures.”
Consistently and Infallibly is the test.
Not “Only”.
I didn’t expect a Catholic to accept it, but you seem to have misunderstood what I was getting at.
I didn’t say that all interpretations are equal.
What I said was that all interpretations were personal interpretations, whether the person arrived at the interpretation themselves after study, or whether they decided to adopt another’s because they decided that that person’s was correct.
Either way, the person made a personal interpretation of anything they hear.
Change your focus, and change your heart and you will not be offended - 1 Corinthians 13, Galatians 5:13-18, 22-26, Philippians 2:1-9
Wrong. Jesus said that He and the word are truth.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.
He never said the CHURCH is truth.
Paul tells us that the church, the body of Christ, upholds the truth.
The thing that is doing the upholding is not the thing itself that is being upheld.
Nor is the church to guide people into truth. That is the work of the Holy Spirit.
John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
>> “Interpretations are not all equal!” <<
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Interpretations are all equally contrary to scripture.
Scripture forbids interpretation.
“Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God”
No room in there to insert interpretations!
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“One group of Baptists which took years to figure out that abortion was murder and discounts the KJV as an unfaithful translation.”
No. One group had a moderate/liberal leadership that was fully ousted in the years following Roe v Wade. That group also recognizes the truth - that the KJV is a flawed translation. All are to some extent. In the case of the KJV, it is a decent translation EXCEPT that it promotes an ecclesiastical church hierarchy, and it did so because the translators were directed by King James to distort what the scripture says.
As for what the resolutions actually said: I quoted them, so anyone can take a look. It is dishonest to say the SBC’s official position was weak on abortion until 2003.
As for the KJV: The idea that it is a more accurate translation than the NASB or ESV is laughable. The additional work done on accurate manuscripts, our understanding of Greek & Hebrew, etc have all helped make superior modern translations. Add in that the English language has changed, so that “Thou shalt not kill” in the 1600s is the equivalent, in modern English, of “you shall not murder”, and it is obvious WHY we needed modern translations.
Of course, if you don’t mind not knowing what the 10 Commandments REALLY say...
Numbers:16:1 And behold Core the son of Isaar, the son of Caath, the son of Levi, and Dathan and Abiron the sons of Eliab, and Hon the son of Pheleth of the children of Ruben,
Numbers:16:2 Rose up against Moses, and with them two hundred and fifty others of the children of Israel, leading men of the synagogue, and who in the time of assembly were called by name.
Numbers:16:3 And when they had stood up against Moses and Aaron, they said : Let it be enough for you, that all the multitude consisteth of holy ones, and the Lord is among them : Why lift you up yourselves above the people of the Lord ?
Numbers:16:4 When Moses heard this, he fell flat on his face :
Numbers:16:5 And speaking to Core and all the multitude, he said : In the morning
the Lord will make known who belong to him, and the holy he will join to himself : and whom he shall choose, they shall approach to him.
Numbers:16:6 Do this therefore : Take every man of you your censers, thou Core, and all thy company.
Numbers:16:7 And putting fire in them to morrow, put incense upon it before the Lord : and whomsoever he shall choose, the same shall be holy : you take too much upon you, ye sons of Levi.
Numbers:16:8 And he said again to Core : Hear ye sons of Levi.
Numbers:16:9 Is it a small thing unto you, that the God of Israel hath spared you from all the people, and joined you to himself, that you should serve him in the service of the tabernacle, and should stand before the congregation of the people, and should minister to him ?
Numbers:16:10 Did he therefore make thee and all thy brethren the sons of Levi to approach unto him, that you should challenge to yourselves the priesthood also,
Numbers:16:11 And that all thy company should stand against the Lord ? for what is Aaron that you murmur against him ?
Numbers:16:12 Then Moses sent to call Dathan and Abiron the sons of Eliab. But they answered : We will not come.
Numbers:16:13 Is it a small matter to thee, that thou hast brought us out of a land that flowed with milk and honey, to kill us in the desert, except thou rule also like a lord over us ?
Numbers:16:14 Thou hast brought us indeed into a land that floweth with rivers of milk and honey, and hast given us possessions of fields and vineyards ; wilt thou also pull out our eyes ? We will not come.
Numbers:16:15 Moses therefore being very angry, said to the Lord : Respect not their sacrifices : thou knowest that I have not taken of them so much as a young ass at any time, nor have injured any of them.
Numbers:16:16 And he said to Core : Do thou and thy congregation stand apart before the Lord to morrow, and Aaron apart.
Numbers:16:17 Take every one of you censers, and put incense upon them, offering to the Lord two hundred and fifty censers : let Aaron also hold his censer.
Numbers:16:18 When they had done this, Moses and Aaron standing,
Numbers:16:19 And had drawn up all the multitude against them to the door of the tabernacle, the glory of the Lord appeared to them all.
Numbers:16:20 And the Lord speaking to Moses and Aaron, said :
Numbers:16:21 Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may presently destroy them.
Numbers:16:22 They fell flat on their face, and said : O most mighty, the God of the spirits of all flesh, for one man's sin shall thy wrath rage against all ?
Numbers:16:23 And the Lord said to Moses :
Numbers:16:24 Command the whole people to separate themselves from the tents of Core and Dathan and Abiron.
Numbers:16:25 And Moses arose, and went to Dathan and Abiron : and the ancients of Israel following him,
Numbers:16:26 He said to the multitude : Depart from the tents of these wicked men, and touch nothing of theirs, lest you be involved in their sins.
Numbers:16:27 And when they were departed from their tents round about, Dathan and Abiron coming out stood in the entry of their pavilions with their wives and children, and all the people.
Numbers:16:28 And Moses said : By this you shall know that the Lord hath sent me to do all things that you see, and that I have not forged them of my own head :
Numbers:16:29 If these men die the common death of men, and if they be visited with a plague, wherewith others also are wont to be visited, the Lord did not send me.
Numbers:16:30 But if the Lord do a new thing, and the earth opening her mouth swallow them down, and all things that belong to them, and they go down alive into hell, you shall know that they have blasphemed the Lord.
Numbers:16:31 And immediately as he had made an end of speaking, the earth broke asunder under their feet :
Numbers:16:32 And opening her mouth, devoured them with their tents and all their substance.
Numbers:16:33 And they went down alive into hell, the ground closing upon them, and they perished from among the people.
Numbers:16:34 But all Israel, that was standing round about, fled at the cry of them that were perishing : saying : Lest perhaps the earth swallow us up also.
Numbers:16:35 And a fire coming out from the Lord, destroyed the two hundred and fifty men that offered the incense.
Numbers:16:36 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying :
Numbers:16:37 Command Eleazar the son of Aaron the priest to take up the censers that lie in the burning, and to scatter the fire of one side and the other : because they are sanctified.
Numbers:16:38 In the deaths of the sinners : and let him beat them into plates, and fasten them to the altar, because incense hath been offered in them to the Lord, and they are sanctified, that the children of Israel may see them for a sign and a memorial.
When God enters into a Covenent He raises up leaders and has them appoint and anoint shepherds for His sheep. He doesn't have the sheep elect whichever sheep they like best as their shepherd, nor does He approve of sheep being a self-appointed shepherd to however many fellow sheep with itching ears follow the self-appointed head sheep of the Church of Itchy Eared Sheep.
Jesus Christ put the authority for selecting shepherds in the hands of the Apostles who have passed that authority down to us in an unbroken chain to this day. We are no more our own shepherds than ancient Israel that Scripture called a nation of priests was a nation without a priesthood.
Those who have churches they created to suit their Self, of course, are free to continue playing Russian Roulette with their eternal destinity in spite of Jude grouping the heresy of Core right in with the way of Cain.
Please keep talking
The NASB and ESV are based on the deliberately corrupt Hort-Westcott Greek manipulation.
The KJV and Geneva are too influenced by the Pharisee consultants that were employed in translating the Hebrew scriptures, and upholding their false prohibition on declaring the name of Yehova, and his son Yeshua in their NT, but so are all the rest, without exception.
We do not need the lies that the “modern” re-hashes produce, nor the covering of the truth that they continue.
If you pray for understanding, you will see the errors in all of them, and can read around them.
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Thank you, I try to ignore the scurrilous comments of the flotsam and jetsam that seem to permeate these waters.
Baloney!
>> “Jesus Christ put the authority for selecting shepherds in the hands of the Apostles who have passed that authority down to us in an unbroken chain...” <<
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That is Satan’s clear word!
Satan owns all of the “churches” but especially the one that claims to be ‘catholic.’
Yeshua’s followers gather in loose affiliations that are easily dissolved when falsehood creeps into those in leadership roles.
It has always been this way, and must continue.
His way is narrow, and few there be that find it. He said so.
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I grew up attending many denominations. Every one of them taught directly from the Bible. I have gone to: Assembly of God, Church of God, Church of God of Prophecy, Baptist, Southern Baptist, Methodist, and others. When I was in high school, we had assemblies in the auditorium about every 6 weeks and our speaker was the Church of Christ minister. He could relate to teenagers. I also went to indominational churches. . We learned from them all. I just do not understand the hatred some catholics have for others.
Do the post police also shoot dogs, or just themselves in the foot?
I think it is better to be confused about certain things than to have a ONE mind like Nazi Germany or your own Catholic inquisitions.
Godwin’s Law
“Next, what is meant by the term, “Received Text”? This name was first applied to a printed Greek text only as late as 1633, or almost 120 years after the first published Greek New Testament appeared in 1516. In 1633, the Elzevirs of Leyden published the second edition of their Greek text, and that text contained the publisher’s “blurb”: textum ergo habes, nunc ab omnibus receptum, or, “therefore you have the text now received by all,” from which the term textus receptus, or received text was taken, and applied collectively and retroactively to the series of published Greek New Testaments extending from 1516 to 1633 and beyond.
Most notable among the many editors of Greek New Testaments in this period were Erasmus (5 editions: 1516, 1519, 1522, 1527, 1535), Robert Estienne a.k.a. Robertus Stephanus (4 editions: 1546, 1549, 1550, 1551), Theodore de Beza (9 editions between 1565 and 1604), and the Elzevirs (3 editions: 1624,1633, 1641).
These many Greek texts display a rather close general uniformity, a uniformity based on the fact that all these texts are more or less reprints of the text(s) edited by Erasmus, with only minor variations. These texts were not independently compiled by the many different editors on the basis of close personal examination of numerous Greek manuscripts, but are genealogically-related.
Proof of this is to be found in a number of “unique” readings in Erasmus’ texts, that is, readings which are found in no known Greek manuscript but which are nevertheless found in the editions of Erasmus. One of these is the reading “book of life” in Revelation 22:19. All known Greek manuscripts here read “tree of life” instead of “book of life” as in the textus receptus. Where did the reading “book of life” come from? When Erasmus was compiling his text, he had access to only one manuscript of Revelation, and it lacked the last six verses, so he took the Latin Vulgate and back-translated from Latin to Greek. Unfortunately, the copy of the Vulgate he used read “book of life,” unlike any Greek manuscript of the passage, and so Erasmus introduced a “unique” Greek reading into his text.
Since the first and only “source” for this reading in Greek is the printed text of Erasmus, any Greek New Testament that agrees with Erasmus here must have been simply copied from his text. The fact that all textus receptus editions of Stephanus, Beza, et al. read with Erasmus shows that their texts were more or less slavish reprints of Erasmus’ text and not independently compiled editions, for had they been edited independently of Erasmus, they would surely have followed the Greek manuscripts here and read “tree of life.” Numerous other unique or extremely rare readings in the textus receptus editions could be referenced...
...None of the major modern English Bible translations made since World War II used the Westcott-Hort text as its base. This includes translations done by theological conservatives — the New American Standard Bible, the New International Version, the New King James, for examples — and translations done by theological liberals — the Revised Standard Version, the New English Bible, the Good News Bible, etc. The only English Bible translation currently in print that the writer is aware of which is based on the Westcott-Hort text is the New World Translation of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. In a very real sense, the very question of which is superior, Westcott and Hort, or the textus receptus, is passe, since neither is recognized by experts in the field as the standard text...”
http://www.bible-researcher.com/kutilek1.html
What does the NASB use?
“GREEK TEXT: Consideration was given to the latest available manuscripts with a view to determining the best Greek text. In most instances the 26th edition of Eberhard Nestle’s NOVUM TESTAMENTUM GRAECE was followed.”
“In most instances”
What about the ESV?
“The ESV is based on the Masoretic text of the Hebrew Bible as found in Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia (2nd ed., 1983), and on the Greek text in the 1993 editions of the Greek New Testament (4th corrected ed.), published by the United Bible Societies (UBS), and Novum Testamentum Graece (27th ed.), edited by Nestle and Aland.”
Please notice both of them know the difference between “kill” and “murder”, and neither uses “the deliberately corrupt Hort-Westcott Greek manipulation”.
And if I need to choose between the integrity and scholarship of the folks who made the NASB and ESV translations, and the Internet posters editor-surveyor & af_vet_1981...well, guess who I think is better qualified?
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