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To: Phinneous

Re: your comment about the hastening of the coming of Messiah.

Don’t you have a statement somewhere in your Talmud about, your Messiah cannot come until the world has become entirely good or entirely evil? And since the former is not going to happen (the world entirely good), the latter is what will bring your Messiah in (the world entirely evil). From the looks of things, your Messiah cannot be that far off!

According to Rabbi Marvin Antelman, that effort to hasten the coming of your Messiah has been ongoing for sometime now - I refer to his classic, “To Eliminate the Opiate.”

His book is quite an eye opener, in it he reveals the subversive, behind the scenes, Sabbatai Zevi-Jacob Frank-Adam Wisehaoupt’s Illuminati- Rothschild-Karl Marx-Socialism/Communism-Haskala-Reform Judaism connection. Doing what I mentioned above, the making of the world evil (by the subversive hand of Socialism, eliminating the “opiate,” i.e., belief in God, in both conservative Christianity and orthodox Judaism) in order that Messiah can come.

Antelman’s book, and he himself, himself bitterly opposed to all of this, and apparently a Chabad himself, you fellows must be aware of. If so, what is your opinion of Antelman’s Sabbataen subversion of the world in order to bring in Messiah? Surely that is not what you meant, when you spoke of “hastening” the coming of your Messiah?


3 posted on 07/15/2014 8:13:42 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

I had never heard of Rabbi Antelman but from a brief look (including reading a summary of volumes 1 and 2 of To Eliminate the Opiate) I do not believe his facts/statements nor do I agree with his conclusions—ie, a vast effort to make the world ‘entirely evil.’ These are not literal statements (make the world entirely this or that....) and not actionable in normative Judaism.

Anyway, yes, we fulfill the actionable commandments (613 for Jews, 7 for non-Jews) happily, to hasten the coming of Moshiach.


6 posted on 07/15/2014 8:27:49 AM PDT by Phinneous
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To: sasportas
Antelman is not Chabad. So far as I know, he is a Modern Orthodox Jew.

I own and have read both volumes of his work. I'm sure there is some truth to his theory (I've become leery of conspiracy theories), but some of his ideas are kind of "out there."

16 posted on 07/15/2014 11:47:58 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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