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To: Phinneous

You may not draw an obligation from this particular Talmud quote, but it is clear from Antelman’s book, and from Sholem’s writings which he drew from, that a particular line of Jews (Sabbatai, Frank, etc.), in anticipation of the Messiah like yourself, certainly did! How one interprets such Talmudic statements as this can have great consequences, whether his interpretation is correct or not is irrelevant.

About me worrying. I am not in the least worrying about what you folks do to hasten the coming of your Messiah. I’ve “read the back of the book,” I know who wins in the end.

My interest in Antelman and this hastening the coming of the Messiah business has to do with Bible prophecy.


13 posted on 07/15/2014 10:26:48 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

The challenge with the statement “...that a particular line of Jews (Sabbatai, Frank, etc.), in anticipation of the Messiah like yourself [me] certainly did [draw an obligation]”

is that they concocted obligations that were outside of and not permissible by the code of Jewish law— they were unwittingly sinning at best, heretics at worst. You can’t draw conclusions about normative Orthodox Jewry from those examples. Orthodox Jews want to increase in the performance of mitzvas (commandments) and in Torah learning (which is in itself a commandment for Jews.)

I’m afraid you cannot draw conclusions about Bible prophesy (Jewish or end-of-the-bookish) with those examples.


18 posted on 07/15/2014 11:57:30 AM PDT by Phinneous
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To: sasportas; Phinneous
You may not draw an obligation from this particular Talmud quote, but it is clear from Antelman’s book, and from Sholem’s writings which he drew from, that a particular line of Jews (Sabbatai, Frank, etc.), in anticipation of the Messiah like yourself, certainly did! How one interprets such Talmudic statements as this can have great consequences, whether his interpretation is correct or not is irrelevant.

About me worrying. I am not in the least worrying about what you folks do to hasten the coming of your Messiah. I’ve “read the back of the book,” I know who wins in the end.

My interest in Antelman and this hastening the coming of the Messiah business has to do with Bible prophecy.

The fact that someone had the bright idea to include the "new testament" between the same covers as the TaNa"KH does not make it true. I have learned the futility of trying to reason with you people about this, but it's still so.

You sound very much like someone who believes the "bible" prophesies about "the Jews" as the bad guys in the chrstian eschaton and that these Sabbateans and Frankists fit that bill for you. You seem to regard Orthodox Jews (whom you seem to think are all "Chabad") are the few good Jews left, just waiting to be converted to chrstianity at the "second coming." If all this is true, then I am afraid you are very ignorant on most of these topics.

I hope you aren't one of those "synagogue of Satan" people. A miserable little Nazi who accused Orthodox Jews of worshiping "Satan" was just banned a few weeks ago.

23 posted on 07/15/2014 12:20:11 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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