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To: verga; ealgeone; vladimir998
>> “If one reads the text in the Greek one would understand that your salvation is secure in Christ.” <<

Since Christ is not the weak link in this matter, I would invite Eagle to show us how saying a prayer that is nowhere to be found in God's word constitutes a contract with the Father that no matter how far we depart from his commandments, he is bound to invite us into his rest, considering especially that the Son has declared “He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved.”

If we stray from his commandments, as have all of those promoting OSAS, and rejecting Torah, how can we be considered to have endured to the end? It seems that the requirement to be shown grace is to have confessed, repented, and begun the walk toward righteousness:

1John 3:7

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Our sole security is knowing that he has written his commandments on our heart, because we now desire to do his commandments.

How can one that not only has no desire to do his commandments, but vilely attacks those that do, have any such assurance? Wake up and smell the rot! .

598 posted on 07/15/2014 3:08:02 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; metmom; boatbums

Metmom and boatbums Ping to Editors excellent post 598.


609 posted on 07/15/2014 3:32:17 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: editor-surveyor
Since Christ is not the weak link in this matter, I would invite Eagle to show us how saying a prayer that is nowhere to be found in God's word constitutes a contract with the Father that no matter how far we depart from his commandments, he is bound to invite us into his rest, considering especially that the Son has declared “He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved.”

Guess the 3,000 that were saved after hearing this message must not have done it correctly.

What words do you think they said? Were they the right ones?

37Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” 38Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Colossians 2:13-14 says it this way.

When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,

14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

If you look at a Greek interlinear the english "having canceled" is "having blotted out" in the Greek. It means to completely wipe away or obliterate.

The Greek translates the decrees against us as "handwriting in the decrees". The word for handrwriting indicates a legal note, or bond. In the Mosaic law it shows men to be chargeable with offences for which they must pay the penalty.

The verb tense in "He has taken" is in the perfect form. It is a completed action. It's done.

In Roman times a freed prisoner would have a paper with him that showed his crimes had been paid for in case the authorities questioned him.

What is this telling us? The sins/crimes we were guilty of, Christ has completely blotted these out and has nailed them to the cross. There is nothing else that can be done for our sins.

Is it a license to sin? No, sir. Just as Paul noted in Romans 6. Need to read the whole chapter to understand it. Not going to post it as I think we have resources to access it.

There isn't an "official" prayer one has to say other than what Paul suggested.

Romans 10:8-11 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 [e]that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, [f]resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, [g]resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be [h]disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

614 posted on 07/15/2014 3:37:09 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: editor-surveyor
Let's back up a verse to see if you are indeed righteous as you seem to claim.

Can you claim that you commit no sin as noted in verse six?

6No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.

632 posted on 07/15/2014 4:00:31 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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