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Francis against 'orthodoxy'?
Fr. Ray Blake's Blog ^ | 7/9/14 | Fr. Ray Blake

Posted on 07/10/2014 7:58:09 AM PDT by BlatherNaut

For those who have a little theological insight or understanding of the history of theology in the last 150 years it is pretty obvious that what is commonly described as orthodoxy has been struggling for existence against a pragmatic approach to belief. Really, the big difficulty many of us have with Pope Francis' theology is that he seems to be an advocate of pragmatism and disfavours orthodoxy. In the previous papacy orthodoxy seemed to be triumphing over the theological approach Congar, Rhanner and the greatest of all proponent of this new approach to Catholic theology Hans Kung. Now, under Francis, orthodoxy is becoming a dirty word. the 'formlessness' of Kung seems to be on the rise.

My Italian is pretty poor, with 'google translate' I can with a bit of difficulty begin to make sense of something. Have a look at this article, which tries to understand Francis' theology The significant paragraph is this - my translation. ....the formulas and dogmas cannot be understood in terms of historical evolution, but every problem must be placed in its historical and socio-political context. The concept of orthodoxy must be overcome, or at least reduced, because it is used as a "reference point to stifle freedom of thought and as a weapon to police and punish" ... They define orthodoxy as "a metaphysical violence."The primacy of doctrine should be replaced by that of pastoral practice ... " (Concilium, 2/2014, p. 11). Is this why the Franciscan Friars are being dealt with apparent harshness - because they were seen as the thriving proponents of 'orthodoxy'? Is this the reason why we seem to be into a 'hermeneutic of incoherence' - because those who equate being Catholic with being 'orthodox' suddenly find themselves in a Church where they are no longer at home or even belong?


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1 posted on 07/10/2014 7:58:09 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
orthodoxy has been struggling for existence against a pragmatic approach to belief.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when at first we do deceive."

Let us now pray for those souls condemned to Hell for eating meat on Friday

2 posted on 07/10/2014 9:15:20 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: BlatherNaut

>Now, under Francis, orthodoxy is becoming a dirty word.<

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When in doubt, consult the “Catechism of the Catholic Church”.

I doubt that the Pope will change that guideline any time soon.


3 posted on 07/10/2014 9:50:18 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: 353FMG

Actions speak louder than words.


4 posted on 07/10/2014 9:55:54 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: 353FMG
I think it's perfectly fine for those who are deeply ingrained in the Catechism, the Doctors, History, Tradition and Scripture, to be free thinkers.

The problem I see is that too many who have not put the time and effort into what it takes to know all of this are the ones who are usually popping off about this or that.

The Holy Spirit has a hand in picking the Pope. There is a reason for this Pope. There have been "bad" Popes before. One wonders what this Pope is supposed to lead us toward?

Plus in my thinking, I still have not gotten over John Paul II. I was 14 when he became Pope. So he was the Pope for a lot of my life. He was steady and told us as youth and then adults the truth. I miss that.

I don't see the excitement with this Pope. I remember the last World Youth Day of John Paul II, this frail old man, but the kids loved him. He was the real deal. Any one having to follow that is going to have a hard time. Francis is a Pastor I guess. Maybe that's what we need now. I don't know. But this too shall pass.

5 posted on 07/10/2014 11:01:08 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: defconw
The Holy Spirit has a hand in picking the Pope.

5%, 10%, 50%, 100%?

6 posted on 07/10/2014 11:10:10 AM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

Really? You really don’t understand the prayer process? Well to bad for you.


7 posted on 07/10/2014 11:11:24 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: defconw
There is a reason for this Pope.

There is a reason for the Great Apostasy, yes. Prince of Darkness. Evident not just in the Church but in society at large.

8 posted on 07/10/2014 11:27:14 AM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

Yep! We are all sliding toward the pit.


9 posted on 07/10/2014 11:30:07 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: BlatherNaut

Someone show me how this is not indicative of a Modernist.


10 posted on 07/10/2014 1:08:44 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
If it walks like a duck....

the big difficulty many of us have with Pope Francis' theology is that he seems to be an advocate of pragmatism and disfavours orthodoxy

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/06/article-0-193B500A00000578-786_634x494.jpg

11 posted on 07/10/2014 5:31:25 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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