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To: NorthMountain
The Federal case law on this is clear and was settled long before Mussolini. The First Amendment is not now, nor has it ever been -- in 1791 or at any time since -- a get-out-of-jail free card for either clerics or practitioners.

The alternative, ultimately, is allowing any nutjob with a collar or a turban to claim that his religion exempts him from the law. It doesn't. It never has. Stop cutting and pasting from the Bill of Rights and learn what it actually means instead.

16 posted on 07/08/2014 3:15:16 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna
Do you remember Bernardine the Radical Queen Dohrn (consort of Obozopal Bill Ayres), the well-scrubbed and quite attractive (in her long ago youth born in 1942) former high school cheerleader whose skin tight leather skirts came almost all the way down to her navel? I trust I have your attention, Fred.

Bernardine and her main squeeze Ayres went "underground" after the Weatherman faction of Students for a Demonratic Society had admitted to the adoring lamestream media in the 1970s their role in a vicious street assault on Chicago prosecutor Richard Elrod who was rendered paralyzed from the neck down by the assault. Dohrn then composed lyrics for a parody song "Lay, Elrod, Lay!" to mock the victim. She also expressed her admiration for Charles Manson and the "Manson Family" for the butchery involved in the Tate-LaBianca murders. All in all, other than her once youthful good looks, a real charmer whom you would not have brought home to your mother as your fiancee.

Dohrn and Ayres surfaced again in 1980 and were taken into custody on a variety of serious charges. A dimwit in the prosecution of another radical gave Dohrn immunity from prosecution to force her to testify. Celebrating her immunity, she then refused to testify and did about a year on the installment plan on serial contempt citations and then left free as a bird when the court had to admit that jailing her had no coercive effect. Now she is, what else, a law professor at Northwestern University despite being disbarred for the crimes she committed as a radical.

I hate Bernardine Dohrn, her husband, her associates and her causes. I love her tactics and recommend them to any Catholic, including priests, faced with religious persecution at the hands of any American government or judge. The court system is incapable of restraining such efforts. They cannot get beyond the shock of learning that many folks just refuse to regard them as gods, just like their ancient Roman pagan counterparts. Dohrn who is anything but Catholic has violated our trademark but that's OK. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and, in this matter of courts with overgrown ids, an effective weapon and a nonviolent one.

27 posted on 07/08/2014 5:10:20 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: FredZarguna
"Compelling Interest" is not the root password to the Constitution.

What, if any, limit on State Power do you recognize? At what point may the Citizen tell the State "NO", and the State must suck it up?

What areas of life may be outside the State, or against the State?

How does your position differ from Mussolini's?

Be specific.

40 posted on 07/08/2014 5:56:25 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: FredZarguna
There's no reason to think priest knows anything, including the identity of the girl. They usually wouldn't: confessions are anonymous.

Instead of dismantling Catholic Sacraments, why don't they get busy and prove their case against the perp? They haven't had to coerce priests into violating religious sacramental vows in the last 223 years to get evidence: why would they have to do it now?

They know if they ask him to either verify or deny something that was-or-wasn't told him in Confession, he can't even give a hint.

Prosecutor: Did this girl, Mary Jane Smith, go to confession to you?

Priest: "Penitents don't identify themselves to me in the confessional by name."

Prosecutor: "You're saying you don't know this girl?"

Priest: "I can't say whether she ever went to Confession to me."

Prosecutor: "You're saying she never went to Confession to you?"

Priest: "I repeat, I can't say."

If they want to jail this hypothetical priest for life on contempt of court, that's the way it's going to have to be.

I actually know of a case like this: it involed Fr. Mark Gruber, OSB, from Latrobe PA. He would not and could not budge, even if it meant his own conviction and imprisonment for a serious crime he did not commit.

He finally escaped from the nets of the law when the actual perp went to the police and admitted his guilt.

41 posted on 07/08/2014 5:56:26 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Christus vincit + Christus regnat + Christus imperat)
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