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To: metmom
Now tell us where *free will* is found in Scripture.

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live

Sirach 15:15 If you will, you can keep the commandments, and to act faithfully is a matter of your own choice.

Luke 10:16 He that hears you hears me; and he that rejects you rejects me; and he that rejects me rejects him that sent me.

CCC 600 To God, all moments of time are present in their immediacy. When therefore he establishes his eternal plan of “predestination,” he includes in it each person’s free response to his grace: “In this city, in fact, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.” For the sake of accomplishing his plan of salvation, God permitted the acts that flowed from their blindness.

The Calvinistic understanding is not the correct and proper understanding.

67 posted on 06/28/2014 12:31:26 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011
This was your comment in post 63 where you asked where *predestined* was found in Scripture.

JPX: I see. Predestination. Lack of free will. Where's that in scripture?

I answered that. Then I asked where the the phrase "free will" is found as such in the Bible and you just gave me proof texts. "Predestined" actually IS found in Scripture; *free will* must be inferred.

68 posted on 06/28/2014 6:04:29 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: JPX2011

There is no such thing as free will.

If someone is unredeemed, they are slaves to sin.

If they are redeemed, they are slaves to God.

God does give us a choice, but that does not equate to free will as not one human being is a free and independent entity as God is.


69 posted on 06/28/2014 6:06:06 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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