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To: Lx; narses
Keep in mind, Lx, that the Church teaches that, like our body and our blood are together, Christ's Body and Blood can never be separate. Should one only receive the Eucharist under "one kind" (like the Body), they still receive both substances.

The Council of Trent, I believe, addressed this rather specifically.
123 posted on 06/08/2014 4:34:35 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: matthewrobertolson
Keep in mind, Lx, that the Church teaches that, like our body and our blood are together, Christ's Body and Blood can never be separate. Should one only receive the Eucharist under "one kind" (like the Body), they still receive both substances.

The Council of Trent, I believe, addressed this rather specifically.

The money quote is: The Churches teach...

Matthew 26:17-30 (New International Version) Page Options Matthew 26:17-30 26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”

27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

Hmm, Jesus, didn't combine the two.

Let's talk about the joke of transubstantiation. So, when a believe takes of the bread, it is actually transformed into the body of Christ. Great, let's have someone fast for a week and take communion, then we'll extract this bit of Christ's flesh, remove the nucleus and plant it in a fertilized egg and implant it into a female, voila, we have now cloned Christ.

128 posted on 06/08/2014 4:44:10 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: matthewrobertolson
The Council of Trent, I believe, addressed this rather specifically.

I assume they were men? Are you saying men would never corrupt the word of God, that is unless they were guided by the Holy Spirit which they were not.

Show in the Bible where it states it?

132 posted on 06/08/2014 5:05:08 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: matthewrobertolson; Lx
Should one only receive the Eucharist under "one kind" (like the Body), they still receive both substances.

But to be consistent with the literal interpretation of the absolute imperative of Jn. 6:53,54, one cannot have spiritual and eternal life if they deny the "Real Presence."

Of course, to be consistent Caths should also take it is literal when David distinctly called water the blood of men, and would not drink it, but poured it out on the ground as an offering to the Lord, as it is forbidden to drink blood. (2 Samuel 23:15-17)

And when God clearly states that the Canaanites were “bread: “Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us” (Num. 14:9)

And or that the Promised Land was “a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof.” (Num. 13:32)

And or when David said that his enemies came to “eat up my flesh.” (Ps. 27:2)

And or when Jeremiah proclaimed, Your words were found. and I ate them. and your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart” (Jer. 15:16)

And or when Ezekiel was told, “eat this scroll, and go, speak to the house of Israel.” (Ezek. 3:1)

And or when (in a phrase similar to the Lord’s supper) John is commanded, “Take the scroll ... Take it and eat it.” (Rev. 10:8-9 )

And since the Lord said that “As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me,” (John 6:57) and He said man should “live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God - quoting Scripture, and that His “meat was to do the will of Him that sent Me,” (Mt. 44:; Jn. 4:34) and that “the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life,” and that souls are only shown receiving life by believing the gospel message,” (Eph. 1:13) and the Word in general is what builds one up, (Acts 20:32) then why will not Catholic even allow that the Lord was referring to “eating” and “drinking” figuratively, as believing on and obeying the Word made flesh in order to gain life and live by Christ?

Especially since John abounds with figurative language and contrasting use of the temporal earthly physical to refer to the eternal heavenly spiritual.

Moreover, they are also inconsistent by rejecting other uses of figurative language in John, consistent with Jn. 6, as being literal,

• In John 1:29, Jesus is called “the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” — but he does not have hoofs and literal physical wool.

• In John 2:19 Jesus is the temple of God: “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up” — but He is not made of literal stone.

• In John 3:14,15, Jesus is the likened to the serpent in the wilderness (Num. 21) who must “be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal” (vs. 14, 15) — but He is not made of literal bronze.

• In John 4:14, Jesus provides living water, that “whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life” (v. 14) — but which was not literally consumed by mouth.

• In John 7:37 Jesus is the One who promises “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water” — but this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive. (John 7:38)

• In Jn. 9:5 Jesus is “the Light of the world” — but who is not blocked by an umbrella.

• In John 10, Jesus is “the door of the sheep,”, and the good shepherd [who] giveth his life for the sheep”, “that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly” vs. 7, 10, 11) — but who again, is not literally an animal with cloven hoofs.

• In John 15, Jesus is the true vine — but who does not physically grow from the ground nor whose fruit is literally physically consumed.

257 posted on 06/08/2014 8:42:35 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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