Posted on 06/08/2014 1:59:17 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
Launched on Halloween of all days.....
The Vatican is located across the river from the other hills of Rome. (Check it out)
It explains itself.
The beast seems to be a world power up through the ages. and the whore is riding on the beast.
The ten kings give the beast their power to destroy the whore at the same time they make war with the lamb which indicates the whore is some how connected with the lamb.
Even with your rewording of Revelation I believe you are wrong.
And the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, instituted the Catholic Church. Not all these Protestant churches.
I attended the catholic.church for twenty years but I have no right to comment? Really? You sound suspiciously like those liberals who don’t believe in a person’s right to free speech. So I would say you are the one acting like a liberal.
You don’t taste the bread then?
The Council of Trent, I believe, addressed this rather specifically.
The money quote is: The Churches teach...
Matthew 26:17-30 (New International Version) Page Options Matthew 26:17-30 26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, Take and eat; this is my body.
27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Fathers kingdom.
Hmm, Jesus, didn't combine the two.
Let's talk about the joke of transubstantiation. So, when a believe takes of the bread, it is actually transformed into the body of Christ. Great, let's have someone fast for a week and take communion, then we'll extract this bit of Christ's flesh, remove the nucleus and plant it in a fertilized egg and implant it into a female, voila, we have now cloned Christ.
Even with your rewording of Revelation I believe you are wrong.
And the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, instituted the Catholic Church. Not all these Protestant churches.
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
It plainly shows that the beast, the kings, the heads and the mountains are the same thing.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
If this is read with an open mind it shows that the beast makes war with the harlot in the same hour as it does the lamb.
Why do you ask?
I sat under catholic teaching for twenty years. I know much of what is taught.
you would be more credible if you showed more knowledge of the Word of God itself.
I assume they were men? Are you saying men would never corrupt the word of God, that is unless they were guided by the Holy Spirit which they were not.
Show in the Bible where it states it?
So was my wife, she doesn’t exactly give a raving endorsement.
You mean the Church run by men? Point me to the Bible verse that says this.
Catholicism is all about power, is God even mentioned except in passing?
I must admit, Catholics have a lot of integrity, after all, with enough money, you can get an annulment.
Finally, learn to use spell check.
The Catholic church perverted the true teachings of Christ. It is perverted to the point that men assume “God’s representative on earth”. The Catholic Church today bears no resemblance whatsoever to the church Christ established on the day of Pentecost.
Yeah, right, please explain timeline.
From the catechism of the Roman Catholic Church
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p4s1c2a2.htm
2677 Holy Mary, Mother of God: With Elizabeth we marvel, "And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"36 Because she gives us Jesus, her son, Mary is Mother of God and our mother; we can entrust all our cares and petitions to her: she prays for us as she prayed for herself: "Let it be to me according to your word."37 By entrusting ourselves to her prayer, we abandon ourselves to the will of God together with her: "Thy will be done."
Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death: By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the "Mother of Mercy," the All-Holy One. We give ourselves over to her now, in the Today of our lives. And our trust broadens further, already at the present moment, to surrender "the hour of our death" wholly to her care. May she be there as she was at her son's death on the cross. May she welcome us as our mother at the hour of our passing38 to lead us to her son, Jesus, in paradise. Armenian, Coptic, and Syriac traditions preferred popular hymns and songs to the Mother of God. But in the Ave Maria, the theotokia, the hymns of St. Ephrem or St. Gregory of Narek, the tradition of prayer is basically the same.
2679 Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus' mother into our homes,39 for she has become the mother of all the living. We can pray with and to her. The prayer of the Church is sustained by the prayer of Mary and united with it in hope.40
The man-made tradition of the catechism on Mary: You have prayer, committing yourself to her care, giving yourself to her. If that's not worship I'm not sure what is.
Contrast with the Biblical position on Christ: we pray to Christ, we commit our faith for our salvation through Him and we give ourselves to Him. And we call that worship.
How is that different than what is happening with Mary?
Each of the areas highlighted goes against the Word of God. The Bible tells us:
We are to pray to Christ. There are zero examples of the apostles praying to anyone other than Christ. When Jesus taught His disciples to pray He taught them the Lord's prayer....not a prayer to anyone else.
We are to give ourselves to Him and Him alone.
We place our faith and trust in Him for our resurrection to the next life. Christ, and Christ alone, died on the Cross for our past, present and future sins as a final offering for our sins.
The Bible tells us the Holy Spirit is constantly making intercession for us with words and groanings we can't understand. Jesus, who is at the right hand of the Father, is also interceding for us. How can you get any better than these individuals praying for us?
This is why we should rely upon the Word of God and the Word of God alone.
Ditto for my husband. Actually, most of his family are now Protestants.
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Sounds simple enough. You should have been a Muslim, just Allah, no one else,
No Father/Son/Holy Spirit, no holy days, no Christmas, no Easter, nothing but Allah. No prayers, no rosaries, no confessions, just YOUR idea above.
How DID the Roman Catholic Church, the oldest, longest surviving institution in the world, ever manage without your wisdom? All those popes, councils, crusades, heresies, martyrs, saints, monasteries, doctors of the Church, overcoming the Reformation by that Roman Catholic priest Martin Luther, heretic kings like Henry VIII who founded HIS OWN CHURCH because the Church wouldn't let him divorce...and so on.
When ALL WE REALLY need is "faith in Christs righteousness instead of our own."
Maybe you should e-mail the Pope and tell him all about your inspiration. I'm sure that he would be very interested. And, of course, he's never heard THAT before. Amazing!
You simply do not know what you are talking about.
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