[paladinan]

Not sure if humans are meant for annihilation and only the devil and his angels are to be tormented, but I see no reason for optimism here.

Precisely. To suggest that the fallen angels would be treated with what you see as such "unspeakable cruelty" that you would doubt the existence of a God Who would allow that, after God Himself created them (fully good) out of nothing, and loved them all as surely as He loves us... well... that's a lapse in logic, as well as a curious callousness toward the fallen angels; and it's a very low opinion of the love and impartiality of God.

[cuban leaf]

To suggest that the fallen angels would be treated with what you see as such “unspeakable cruelty” that you would doubt the existence of a God Who would allow that, after God Himself created them...

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Hang on there. That is not what I suggested. It is what you inferred. And it is definitely now my position. The only fate I’m discussing here is the fate of those for whom Christ died that do not accept the free gift. Anything not human is outside the scope of my argument regarding the fate of that thing.

[cuban leaf]

To suggest that the fallen angels would be treated with what you see as such “unspeakable cruelty” that you would doubt the existence of a God Who would allow that, after God Himself created them...

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Hang on there. That is not what I suggested. It is what you inferred. And it is definitely now my position. The only fate I’m discussing here is the fate of those for whom Christ died that do not accept the free gift. Anything not human is outside the scope of my argument regarding the fate of that thing.

Now = Not