“There would be no need for any of the books or at least the book of life if there were not going to be any names in it.”
I did not say there were no names in it. Obviously there are names in it, because all who are saved by Christ have their names written in the book of life. What I’m saying is: the verses about the book of life which are included in the description of the second resurrection are conspicuously silent about anyone (of those who are part of the second resurrection) being found in the book of life. The verses tell us that those who are not found in the book of life are thrown into the lake of fire, but the verses do not tell us that anyone who is part of that resurrection will be found in the book of life.
This isn’t surprising to me, because if you are in the book of life, you are saved by grace, not judged by works. If you are part of the second resurrection, you are judged by works, which seems to me would preclude you being covered by the saving grace of Christ.
“That is the reason for the books, if no one was going to be judged righteous by their works they would have all ready been judged.”
I’m not sure I am following you. You think that is possible to make yourself righteous through your works?!?
“In this case god would owe them.”
How can God owe anyone anything? God is the ultimate owner of all things, so how is it impossible for Him to incur a debt?
“The ones on the right hand are the ones who,s names will be in the book of life”
Yes, this I agree with. However, both the first and second resurrections happen after Christ’s return, so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that passage is describing both events, the first and second resurrection together. The passage clearly uses allegorical language, so it might not be the best idea to read it as absolutely literal, especially as the most literal interpretation conflicts with the other verses that describe separate resurrections for the righteous and unrighteous.
How can God owe anyone anything?
Mostly Paul was talking about the works of the law, not the works of faith.
Many people believe following the law to the letter will save them but it don`t, we are saved by grace through faith.
And James said very plainly that if any one has faith it will be shown by their works, faith with out works is dead.
Jesus told us very plainly that if some one is hungry and we do not feed them ( this is works )we will be put with the goats, there is nothing any plainer than that.
Did I really say anything like that?
No, I do not believe that at all, I believe faith will be shown by works as James said.
Also I believe in two resurrections or at least two parts,
Jesus rose in the first one and there are a lot of evidence that others rose with him.
But the main thing is that if there had been no resurrection Jesus would not have risen so we know for sure there was a first resurrection,and we were not in it.
And although I agree with you that works does not save any one, maybe we should consider what James said about faith with out works being dead
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Rev 2
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil:
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan’s seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith,
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
Rev 3
I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 14
13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Our works do follow, we are known by our works of faith.