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To: Fantasywriter
QUOTE: Your idea of multiple judgments & multiple destinies/multiple places of ‘flame’ & ‘torment’ is inconsistent with Scripture.

I did not intend to suggest their are multiple judgments per se. But a person is not judged immediately at death, they go to Hades, sheol, the grave. Whether they are conscious or not, whether they go to heaven or not, is a different debate.

We both agree their is a final, single, solitary judgement for the disposition of men's souls (Rev 20:11-14, Hebrews 9:27), yes?

114 posted on 05/31/2014 8:53:34 AM PDT by jimmyray
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To: jimmyray

We do indeed both agree that there is a Day of Judgment. What we seem to differ on is whether this Day is THE Day of Judgment, or whether it is a pro forma event. I.e.: if people have previously been judged, and some sent to a place of ‘flame’ & ‘torment’ while others enjoyed comfort in Abrahams’s presence, then ‘The Day of Judgment’ would not be (1) the only judgment, or (2) particularly important. The division of people into saved & lost would already have occurred, as witnessed by the flame & torment already suffered by the damned & the comfort enjoyed by the saved. The Day of Judgment would hence be only a rubber stamp of the judgment already passed before people were sent either to flame & torment or to comfort.

Or so it seems to me, & I’m not trying to be difficult. I’m just trying to understand how one could suggest that people are judged twice while still holding to the idea of a single Day of Judgment.


115 posted on 05/31/2014 9:01:53 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: jimmyray; Fantasywriter

Jimmy, there ARE multiple judgments.

There is the bema seat of Christ for Christians: 2 Co 5:10

There is the judgment of tribulation survivors after Jesus returns: Matthew 25 (When the Son of Man comes) Jews (14-30) and the nations (Gentiles) 31-46:

There is the Great White Throne final judgment of the dead Rev 20: 11-15,


124 posted on 05/31/2014 11:36:21 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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