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To: Fantasywriter
QUOTE: I Wrote: "‘1. Regarding Lazarus and the Rick Man, this parable is about the state of the dead prior to the last judgement, so it would have no bearing on the condition of those in the Lake of Fire.’

Your responded: "So, prior to the Day of Judgment, people are judged. Some are sent to a ‘place of torment’ while others are comforted. After that, comes the Second Judgment.
That is a remarkable interpretation. Entirely non-Biblical, but quite remarkable.

Of course it is before the final judgement, 3 reasons:
1. The Rich Man is in Hades, not the Lake of Fire (Luke 16:23)
2. If the view of Lazarus and the rich man were after the Final Judgement, why would the Rich Man want Lazarus to go tell his five brothers so they could correct their ways? It would be too late for them as well.
3. Jesus announced that "...they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead (Luke 16:31). He was referring to his own resurrection, that had not occured yet.

102 posted on 05/31/2014 7:14:50 AM PDT by jimmyray
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To: jimmyray

Your idea of multiple judgments & multiple destinies/multiple places of ‘flame’ & ‘torment’ is inconsistent with Scripture. From Hebrews 9:27:

“And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,”

& btw, the real people depicted in judgment, in Matt. 25, don’t act like it is a superfluous non-event. They act like it is the first/only judgment they have faced. The righteous are surprised to be informed that every time they ministered to the poor and/or lonely, hurting, etc., they ministered to Jesus Himself. Likewise the damned are surprised to be judged for not ministering to Jesus when they neglected the poor, the imprisoned, etc. This is not a pointless repetition for either group; it is THE Judgnent.

Which it certainly wouldn’t be if they had been judged prior. I.e.: if some had previously been judged worthy to occupy a place of comfort, & to enjoy Abraham’s embrace, & were marched in from that place to stand judgment (again), while others had been judged worthy to occupy a place of flame & torment, & had been routed from there only to face a second damning judgment, there would be no surprises. Every person present would already have been judged once, & the second time would be redundant.

Of course most importantly the Bible gives no indication of multiple judgments or multiple destinies. According to Scripture, we each live once, die once, and then face judgment. Following judgment some enjoy eternal life with God and some receive eternal punishment. The idea that the damned are judged & punished one way prior to The Judgment, and then re-judged & punished a second way following The Day of Judgment, is non-Biblical.


104 posted on 05/31/2014 7:57:42 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: jimmyray
All said and done, we disagree on many points. Last question. What did Jesus mean when he referred to the idea of "losing your own soul?"

Mark 8:36 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? 37 Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?

Does the man in eternal torment still own his own soul?

What does forfeit mean?

150 posted on 06/03/2014 6:59:55 PM PDT by jimmyray
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