How a Protestant spin machine hid the truth about the English Reformation

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk ^ | May 23, 2014 | Dominic Selwood

[ansel12]

I think your comparisons between the horrors of the Catholic church pre reformation and what your Catholic parents endured before they fled to the Protestant country of America from 1900 Germany, are not what I’m talking about.

Why didn’t they go to the almost 100% Catholic nation that borders us?

[gusty]

Your timeline is a little off. The need to flee Germany because of the Reformation ended in 1648 with the Peace of Westphalia. What you are referring to is Wilhelmian Germany’s anti-Catholic bias, blame Bismark, not Luther. If Austria won in 1866, your family would not have needed to flee. Another thing you should blame, the needle rifle.

[gusty]

The ingratitude of some is astonishing. A Protestant people, Americans, let the oppressed of Catholic Europe come here to live in freedom and prosper, and their descendants have the stones to denigrate and insult the religion of the same people who let their ancestors land on these shores. It is the same phenomenon you see with second and third generation Muslims in the West.

[NKP_Vet]

“There were horrors for centuries until Christians broke free from the Catholic domination”

Protestantism is a heresy.

[ansel12]

That’s nice, thanks for the opinion.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

"Yeah, I get it, there was naturally a shake out period as after a 1000 years of forced Catholicism, people broke free, and had bad feelings and had to fight to remain free, but as they got farther away from their Catholic roots and Rome accepted that they were strong enough to remain free, things settled down within a few generations."

I see. Its okay to torture, burn, hang, kill, slaughter, and long as the targets are Catholics and the perps are Protestants. Its all justified.

Sick.

[ansel12]

When someone posts what you claim, then you should post that to them, don’t claim that I said it.

[RichInOC]

“Ladies and gentlemen, we are now beginning our descent into Belfast International Airport. Please return your tray tables to the upright and locked position, stow all loose items, and set your watches back three hundred years.”

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

Your ignorance is showing. First of all, Americans are by definition not a "Protestant people." Secondly, Catholics faced plenty of persecution in the Colonies before the formation of the United States. Maryland was established as a place for Catholics to live in America, but the Protestant mob couldn't bear that Catholics be allowed to vote, hold office, and freely practice their religion, so they overthrew the colony government. Catholicism remained illegal in Maryland until the formation of the United States. The situation was the same in many colonies.

So please, spare us this absurd BS about "astonishing ingratitude," because the Protestants living in America absolutely did not welcome Catholics.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

Obfuscate all you want. You’ve spent the entire thread trying to justify everything and anything done in the name of Protestantism against some Catholic bogeyman.

[ansel12]

America was only about 99% Protestant until Catholic immigration fired up in the 1840s, then by 1850, Catholics were about 5%.

Mexico, being almost 99% catholic at the time must have taken in tens of millions of Catholic immigrants as the Catholic foreigners longed to be with their nice fellow Catholics.

[RichInOC]

Because of course the Clan is the most egregious example of gaming the marriage laws these days.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

So what are you saying? That America should become a Protestant theocracy like it was before the Revolution and outlaw Catholicism?

Mexico, as a Spanish colony, provided a huge portion of Spain's income and was carefully governed almost as a large military installation. They did not accept whoever wished to immigrate, and as you astutely realized earlier in the thread, they didn't have airplanes, so it would be rather difficult to get there from England, Scotland, Germany, etc.

Also, again displaying your profound ignorance, you seem not to realize Florida and Louisiana were part of the Spanish empire and would be rather easier to get to than Mexico anyway. Many Catholics did try to make for the Spanish territories, those who were not slaves.

[dsc]

“I have no such assurance that anyone, besides the G_d, can even hear my prayer.”

And no number of first-hand accounts would be sufficient to move you to looking into the matter fully?

[ansel12]

LOL, why do you pretend that people are saying things that they aren’t.

As far as Mexico being a Spanish colony and Catholic immigration from 1840 to today, Catholic Mexico declared it’s independence from Catholic European Spain in 1810, and won their independence about 1821, so Spain wasn’t involved.

Florida and Louisiana had long been part of the United States when the Catholic immigration kicked off, not Spain.

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“”America was only about 99% Protestant until Catholic immigration fired up in the 1840s, then by 1850, Catholics were about 5%.

Mexico, being almost 99% catholic at the time must have taken in tens of millions of Catholic immigrants as the Catholic foreigners longed to be with their nice fellow Catholics.””

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

I’m not talking about the 1840’s, I’m talking about the time period from the wars of religion up until the American Revolution.

[dsc]

“It isn’t like the catholic denomination is famous for it’s leadership falling for females.”

The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church is famous for whatever the lamestream media and Hollyweird have chosen to promulgate.

How odd it is that these same media slugs are not to be trusted on any other subject, but if they start hawking a “pedophile priest scandal,” well, that’s pure gospel.

Never mind the facts, Cokie Roberts has spoken. Selah.