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To: daniel1212
"Rome counts and treats even prosodomite murderers of infants as members in life and death..."

This statement requires careful distinctions.

First, I agree with you that it is a damnable scandal that members of the hierarchy are disobedient to the Church's own authoritative teachings, as found in Scripture and the teachings of Ecumenical Councils, and as codified in Canon Law. What we're dealing with here is disobedient clergy, who do not count, individually or collectively, as "Rome," let alone as "The Catholic Church" itself (though they are Catholics.)

I wouldn't expect you to have followed the ongoing discussion of Canon 915 in the Catholic community here, for the last, oh, 15 years, but please realize what the Canon requires:

"Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion."

Therefore all those Bishops and other clerics who are "admitting to Holy Communion" those who should not be admitted (like Pelosi, Biden, Cuomo and others) are themselves "obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin". They are against the Church.

So the blame here rests, not on the Church (which teaches the truth) but on those who are objectively in the position of defiance and disobedience on this point.

It's truly a wretched situation --- a comprehensively offensive situation of the worst kind --- but the wretchedness is that of these disobedient clerics, and not of erroneous teaching on the part of the Church.

It's akin to the scandalous and evil time when, after the Last Supper, one Apostle betrayed the Lord, one denied him three times, nine others headed for the tall grass, and only one of the Twelve was faithful enough to stand at the foot of the Cross.

171 posted on 05/17/2014 6:51:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge justly.” -John 7:24)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

But that disobedience to Scripture and the Canon is so pervasive as to be almost insurmountable.

It still boggles the mind that Catholics can say that a priest, bishop, etc have ex-communicated themselves from the church and are still in a position to offer valid sacraments if their *intent* is right.

And if they are unwilling to enforce Catholic doctrine and teaching, how can their intent be right? They obviously don’t care what the church has to say on those matters.


173 posted on 05/17/2014 8:32:23 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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