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To: PhilipFreneau

I’ve already shown you in the past, but if you insist:

1 Thes. 4:13-17

“3 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”


51 posted on 05/16/2014 8:28:36 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
>>>I’ve already shown you in the past, but if you insist: 1 Thes. 4:13-17<<<

I have read passage that many times. This is the context:

     "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." (1 Th 4:13-18 KJV)

It appears Paul was expecting to be alive when it was fulfilled. Notice how many times he said "we", as in "we which are alive and remain." Also, an evaluation of the underlying Greek indicates that the word "so" in verse 17, as in "so shall we ever be with the Lord", meant that once they met the Lord in the air, they were not coming back to earth. That is, they are forever in heaven with the Lord.

Besides, that is the "first resurrection" of AD 70, appropriately named in Revelation 20: not the second or general resurrection, also mentioned in Revelation 20. The second, general resurrection is where every knee, including mine and yours, shall bow:

"But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God." (Rom 14:10-12 KJV)

Certainly you can come up with a better argument than that in your pretense that I am not a Christian.

Philip

60 posted on 05/16/2014 9:05:16 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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