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To: annalex
The words he spoke were spirit and life...

summing it up as "That finishes the contrast to the Manna, which only fed the stomach" is rather hollow, or woodenly dismissive.

Later? a whole 2 chapters later, with the setting in Matthew 18 having as I made mention of -- it being Christ Himself who directly gave the binding and loosening to all the rest.

It was not funneled through Peter "later" to be then distributed thru Peter, or for Peter to rule over the others in that authority, or any such notions.

Only later, centuries later did Rome begin to read those sort of "ideas" into the texts.

Meanwhile, there is still extant on the earth today, these nearly 2000 years later, those bishoprics who can bear their own apostolic testimony which is not only in disagreement with the idea of singular papacy having been what was established from the beginning (along with some perhaps sharper disagreements with much of the attendant theological baggage which has accumulated over the centuries in regards to it) but can show that they never were --- in any sort of agreement with "the baggage" beyond the bishopric of Rome once enjoying high regard by many for it having a double-apostolicity, while it had also for the most part stayed out of the earliest controversies.

Centuries later -- popes of Rome have declared Paul to have been subservient to Peter (while those of Rome attempt to promote Rome as being only "the See of Peter" that ever there was) while none else make such distinctions as to Paul being "lesser" but rather as Peter being primary as much in example for all the rest -- which all the other Patriarchates as they were once known, having the same "authority" at least in basic principle, with the sense that each was as equally in lineage to all the original Apostles as any other.

If not -- then we end up rebuking Paul when he rightfully rebuked those whom from very early on attempted to make such distinctions among themselves, using himself (Paul) and Apollos, as examples of the carnal nature of man to tend immediately towards such divisions of the body.

1 1 Corinthians 3

3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

As late as Gregory the Great -- that man, as bishop of Rome wrote that the See of Peter was in three places, while also writing that any who strove for the title "Universal" (as in universal bishop, thus bishop of bishops also) was in serious error.

In that particular letter Gregory wrote that the title had been encouraged by those near to himself in Rome to take up for himself -- acknowledging also that his own predecessor (Leo) had availed himself of it -- but he (Gregory) declined it in the first opening paragraphs of going against the notion severely and repeatedly in no uncertain terms.

The autocephaly of other apostolic traditions bears witness against the presumptions of Romanists which they rather impose upon scripture itself.

78 posted on 04/20/2014 6:21:39 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Some drink at the fountain of knowledge...others just gargle)
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To: BlueDragon
It was not funneled through Peter "later" to be then distributed thru Peter, or for Peter to rule over the others in that authority, or any such notions.

Nor did I say that. The point remains, to Peter "binding and loosing" is given first , and is accompanied with the gift of the Keys to Heaven and other forms of exaltation; to the disciples is given the power of binding and loosing, but not the keys, nor other attributes. Make of it what you will.

Do you have a question to me that I missed?

79 posted on 04/20/2014 6:29:37 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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