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To: annalex; Greetings_Puny_Humans; boatbums; daniel1212; All
And St. Paul writes that the Eucharist can condemn (1 Cor. 11:29-30), so presumably it can save also, and of course Jesus in John 6 is very emphatic that the Eucharist saves.

But Jesus did not come in to the world to condemn it but to save it.

John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

We are not saved until we are condemned. We are condemned until we're saved.

It's not a matter of finding out when we die if we've been good enough, because God's standard is absolute perfection. One sin in the garden broke Adam and Eve's fellowship with God and caused them to be expelled from the garden, to have death, the penalty for sin, to enter the world.

The world stands already condemned by God until it is saved.

Jesus is emphatic that faith saves and the SPIRIT gives life.

John 1:10-13 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

HE says RIGHT HERE, in the same chapter 6 that Catholics love to quote, that He's speaking in a metaphor.

316 posted on 04/28/2014 5:04:31 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom; Greetings_Puny_Humans; boatbums; daniel1212; All
Jesus condemns, of course, because the sinner chooses to be condemned, not because Jesus came to earth to condemn anyone.

"The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life."

That His words are spirit and life does not mean that His words are metaphorical.

323 posted on 04/28/2014 5:41:56 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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