Posted on 04/13/2014 5:27:03 PM PDT by ebb tide
Francis is like a walk through London. You never know what to expect.
But are his latest words on marriage based on his "Jesuit creativity"?
(Excerpt) Read more at renewamerica.com ...
I don’t think Francis sends out mixed messages. I think people are listening with mixed ears, hearing selectively, and sometimes his words don’t have any good selections to take from context.
How did the Jesuits go from being “the Pope’s Marines” to the most left-wing bunch in such a short time?
I don’t think the writer knows how to understand Catholic doctrine or evangelism, frankly.
Interesting. I think the same about some Popes.
Who are we to judge?
>>Atheist to Pope Francis: It’s a joke, I tell him. My friends think it is you want to convert me.<<
>>He (Pope Francis) smiles again and replies (to atheist): “Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense.<<
>>Atheist to Pope Francis: Your Holiness, is there is a single vision of the Good? And who decides what it is?<<
>>Pope Francis to atheist: “Each of us has a vision of good and of evil. We have to encourage people to move towards what they think is Good.””Each of us has a vision of good and of evil. We have to encourage people to move towards what they think is Good.”<<
>>...”And I repeat it here. Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place.”<<
http://www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/10/01/news/pope_s_conversation_with_scalfari_english-67643118/
The interview I quote from was posted on the Vatican’s official website, with Pope Francis’ vetting and approval. It was removed only after the uproar it caused amongst Catholics.
Why do you post garbage from a Catholic-bashing protestant website. And the following lie has been put to rest by more than one person that knows what they are talking about.
“Francis’s latest assertion about marriage is not consistent with having favored homosexual civil unions in Argentina, when he was known as Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio”.
Very well put. I even went to look for it on the dissenting list. LOL!
Apparently you didn’t find it on the list, did you?
Once again, I’ve deleted your PM without opening it.
Do you know anything about Renew America? It’s not what you say it is.
Thanks for the link. I’d like to point out that Alan Keyes, the founder, is a conservative Catholic who once ran for POTUS.
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RenewAmerica is protestant website, with a few Catholics sprinkled in the bunch to make them look all inclusive. The gal that wrote the article about Francis is on RenewAmerica for one reason and one reason only, to bash anything and everything Pope Francis does. Alan Keyes should be ashamed to be part of a website that has so many Catholic Church haters on it. Their list of “board members” and contributing columnists is a whos-who of mostly evangelicals who make a living bashing the Catholic Church.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/marielena
But it is also very Scholastic. People seek the good unless there is a serious wiring error. So, however accurate their vision may or may not be, they are seeking God. Sometimes we have to remove obstructions and delusions very painstakingly and patiently. But we would have nowhere to begin if they didn't have SOME vision of the good.
Often the tack to take with atheists is to patiently, patiently work toward the fundamental incoherence of their position. This can be summarized as, “It is absolutely true that there is no absolute truth.”
Then we can begin to inquire what THEY think so important about truth if there is none. Why does it matter that the only truth is that there is no truth.
Maybe they will end up saying that religions lead to injustice. So you take a pass on whether they do or not, but again look into what it might matter that injustice happens.
One works them toward articulating THEIR vision of good and evil — just as the Pope says.
Once they've taken a stand, then we can start looking at it. We can compare it to the Xtian view. Or we can talk about what having an absolute (or a vision of an absolute) means about things like Goodness, Truth, Beauty, Love.
Some people fish with dynamite. But we're going for LIVE fish, so we have to be subtle and patient.
I found nothing in your quote that Aquinas would not have said, barring a probable back and forth on what we mean by proselytizing.
Here’s the most recent article from your supposed “protestant website”:
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/gaynor/140414
Some of those Protestant columnists are more “catholic” than the majority of the members of the USCCB.
You, yourself, have criticized Pope Francis; does that automatically make you a Protestant?
That’s not what Francis’ talking ass, Hans, says.
From the article you sourced:
>>Rubin’s ( the principle source of the claim) carry some weight, because he is the one of the two individuals who co-authored the only authorized biography of the current pope, entitled The Jesuit, published by Ediciones B in 2010. The biography was based on conversations with Bergoglio.<<
>>The claim has been seconded by homosexual activist Marcelo Marquez, who told the Times that Bergoglio “told me that homosexuals need to have recognized rights and that he supported civil unions, but not same-sex marriage.”<<
Why would Cardinal Bergoglio authorize a biography of himself if it had false statements about his support for homo civil unions?
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