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All biblical scholars subscribe to the proposition that the books of the New Testament were written decades or centuries AFTER the events they describe—not by the actual Disciples.

Well that's nonsense, I can name quite a few who disagree with you vehemently, and many more going back 2,000 years. The modern liberals do not possess legitimate scholarship, and are easily disproved by the testimony of history and the texts themselves. Ignatius, for example, was calling Jesus God, reporting the virgin birth, and quoting from the Gospels, and he died an old man between 95-115AD, a martyr for his faith. He had also been a disciple of the Apostle John.

And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it’s very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part —

This fellow is an imbecile. Here is Matthew testifying to Christ's deity here:

Mat_1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

And the Trinitarian formula in baptism:

Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

It was taken for granted that the Messiah, in fact, was God Himself, thus every testimony of Christ being the Son of God, was the same as saying that He was the second member of the Trinity.

45 posted on 04/12/2014 12:35:31 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“This fellow is an imbecile. Here is Matthew testifying to Christ’s deity here:

Mat_1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

Hmmm. The problem with your citation is that it is wrong. Matthew 1:23 is quoting the prophet Isaiah who said the Messiah would be named Emmanuel.

The writer of the Book of Matthew has to deal with that prophetic statement, well known in Jewish tradition, so he virtually copies the wording from Isaiah in Matthew 1:20.

So if you look at Matthew 1:20 above, you’ll that the writer is trying to relate & connect the virgin birth with the Isaiah prophecy reference, but he has to admit that the angel tells Joseph to name the child Jesus, not Emmanuel. Nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus referred to as being named Emmanuel.

Imbecility must be catching.


46 posted on 04/13/2014 1:22:00 PM PDT by wildbill
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