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To: LurkingSince'98; Elsie

You mean like the straw-man, alleged (technically hearsay) quotes from *some* Protestant, you gave as intro to the giganto copy/past list you brought in #380, which as you then further say;

which strongly suggests that scarcely any live up to, including yourself?

A few items have already been highlighted for you, with the question posed by Elsie -- "do you really want to go there?" --with those items showing themselves to be quite likely needing some further attention on your own part --- just going by what we have all been witnessing (if paying close enough attention) on just as seen acted out (by yourself) on FR alone.

I'm not perfect --- but I do rely upon the Lord, His own Spirit within me, to show me where it is that I'm sinning -- and for Him to convict me of that. Occasionally,He can use people too, to bring things to my attention.

I did notice on possible error (there could be more) in my own previous communication with you --- for you seemed to include the part about your wife and daughters "being slighted" was just a joke you included? Like -- it was a joke all along, just a little funny comic relief amid the more serious? If so -- hey, I do the same sort of thing, mixing the two, with it being more difficult to convey clues as to "this is humor" then a "this is not" in textual fashion, than in person. So-- sorry I missed it (if I did from the beginning).

Even then, turning back to how we may realize our own being forgiven, even by God, I am forgiven already.

A blanket pardon. Yet if the conscience not examined, and the conviction not come (conviction -- not to be confused with condemnation -- this is a very important difference) then I would hardly be able, by effort of my own conscience examining itself, to find the truth of the matter as to those things found even within my own heart, the human heart being wicked beyond all things -- who can know it? ---as it is written Jeremiah 17:9

401 posted on 04/07/2014 4:27:59 PM PDT by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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To: BlueDragon; LurkingSince'98; Elsie
A blanket pardon. Yet if the conscience not examined, and the conviction not come (conviction -- not to be confused with condemnation -- this is a very important difference) then I would hardly be able, by effort of my own conscience examining itself, to find the truth of the matter as to those things found even within my own heart, the human heart being wicked beyond all things -- who can know it? ---as it is written Jeremiah 17:9

And yet there is this....

2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Thank God that it is not dependent on our actions or righteousness. Sin breaks the lines of communication between Father and child, but does not sever the relationship.

Yes, we still sin and yes, we do need to confess it, but once a child of God, always a child of God because it is not dependent on OUR righteousness. We have been GIVEN His and He took our sin.

That's why the salvation of the believer is secure and OSAS is valid.

469 posted on 04/08/2014 10:55:12 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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