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To: BlueDragon; UriÂ’el-2012

His question was certainly to negate the authority of orthodox Judaism (the oral tradition/Talmud/rabbis...) Don’t kid yourself.

To better understand my rhythmic and rhetorical retort, “Oneg” means ‘enjoyment.’ It is a law, yes a law, to enjoy the Sabbath. So it is fundamentally impossible, to a Jew, to take Uriel’s bait. Once again,

Are silly poems all u got?
Or have you just never experienced “oneg Shabbat?

And this was a message for a self-identified messianic, b’shem ploni. If he’s a Jew, then he is missing out on Judaism, thus-far, and can remedy that with davening, cholent, and singing with his brothers at a real Shabbos table.

Hey all messianics (Jews) and general deniers/wonderers about your Oral Torah— give it a try. The G-d you don’t yet believe in (Melech Malchei hamelachim) I also didn’t believe in once...


98 posted on 03/30/2014 10:42:29 AM PDT by Phinneous
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To: Phinneous; UriÂ’el-2012

That's not the way it came across to myself at all.

Did he say it was not a law to enjoy the Sabbath? No, all he did was pose a question. As I understood his approach to be, it was meant as 'food for thought' with himself (I must assume) rather favoring the position that the Sabbath be intended by God for man to enjoy.

For anyone to assume differently, judging from what the man did say, one must engage in a form of mind-reading and end up attributing motive to him -- which simply is not there.

Yet you seemed to have forced myself into attributing motive also, though I dare say that attributing positive motives, like unto giving a person benefit of doubt, rather than a deliberate with-holding of that benefit and instead a reversal of such towards accusation, is allowable enough, while accusation based upon mind-reading and attributing motive is frowned upon, in this FR forum.

Returning to question of Sabbath --- the one known in the NT as Jesus pointed out that the Sabbath was made for man, rather than man made for the Sabbath (to serve it as duty).

Do you have any problem with that ?

100 posted on 03/30/2014 11:32:32 AM PDT by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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