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To: Boogieman
>>>Hmm, if the “beloved city” is not Jerusalem, but heavenly Jerusalem, then how do the armies of Gog and Magog go across the entire earth to get to heaven? Is it possible for men to walk to heaven? They can walk to Jerusalem, which makes it the only sensible interpretation, unless you can reconcile that.<<<

It is a spiritual war. It is occurring everywhere. Recall this verse:

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Mat 10:28)

I learned that verse the first day I read the Bible nearly four decades ago, and it has played a part in my interpretation, since.

>>>How is he going to get to them if they are already permanently in Heaven with Jesus as you say? By the time of those verses, Satan is on earth, and verse 9 says “fire came down from Heaven and devoured them”. If fire came down from Heaven, then they couldn’t be in Heaven, but were obviously on earth. They were gathered from the four corners of the earth, they traveled across the earth, and surrounded God’s beloved city. There is no mention of any teleportation, flying, or ladders to Heaven in any of those verses.<<<

I see you are not interested in a mature discussion. When you have anything to add to the discussion, get back with me. I will be more than obliging.

This is a hint: Christians everywhere are part of the Church, the new Jerusalem, which is located on mount Sion in heaven. They are also part of the Holy Temple, which is also found on mount Sion in heaven. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not.

This is another hint: this earth will be around forever, and generations of people will come and go, forever. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not.

This is another hint: the Church is not going anywhere. Christ gave his life for the Church, and it is here to stay. If was not an afterthought. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not.

This is another hint: Israel is no longer God's chosen people, and has not been for about 2000 years. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not.

Philip

41 posted on 03/14/2014 9:47:10 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
QUOTE: "This is another hint: this earth will be around forever, and generations of people will come and go, forever. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not."

Not completely accurate. To wit:

2 Peter 3:10...The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

and

Rev 21: 4‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

The core of the earth may remain, but it's surface will be totally consumed with fire. Jesus will create the New Heavens and the New Earth (Rev 21:1), where there will be no more death. Generations will no longer "come and go" as you claim.

43 posted on 03/14/2014 10:24:20 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: PhilipFreneau
QUOTE: "This is another hint: this earth will be around forever, and generations of people will come and go, forever. Satan knows claims it. Many Christians do not know it is a lie."

Fixed it for you.

45 posted on 03/14/2014 10:27:43 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: PhilipFreneau
This is another hint: this earth will be around forever, and generations of people will come and go, forever. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not.

Ah, I begin to see.

Could I suggest, in addition to the M. Kline articles referenced above, you peruse Vos' Pauline Eschatology? Not long, but does take some work to digest. Careful exegete.

This age will end.

84 posted on 03/15/2014 10:56:31 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("I've studied bible prophecy 30 years." usually means "I've never heard of Geerhardus Vos.")
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To: PhilipFreneau

“It is a spiritual war. It is occurring everywhere. Recall this verse:

“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Mat 10:28)

I learned that verse the first day I read the Bible nearly four decades ago, and it has played a part in my interpretation, since.”

Okay, then you should know who that verse is speaking of, that we should fear. Who has the power to destroy our bodies and souls in hell?

“This is a hint: Christians everywhere are part of the Church, the new Jerusalem, which is located on mount Sion in heaven. They are also part of the Holy Temple, which is also found on mount Sion in heaven. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not.”

Well, it seems Satan doesn’t know that, since he is marching around the earth in these verses to get to the place where God’s people are. Maybe you can draw him a roadmap.

“This is another hint: this earth will be around forever, and generations of people will come and go, forever. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not.”

The Bible says this earth will pass away and there will be a new heaven and a new earth. I’ll believe the Bible over your words, no matter how insistent you are.

“This is another hint: Israel is no longer God’s chosen people, and has not been for about 2000 years. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not.”

There will always be a rigtheous remnant of Israel, beloved of God, as promised. We are grafted onto them, we do not replace them.


93 posted on 03/15/2014 1:15:06 PM PDT by Boogieman
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