Christians, Don’t Give Up on the Homosexuality Debate

The Aquila Report ^ | 2-2-14 | Jason Helopoulos

[trebb]

We’ve already lost. God will end this by destroying the country and perhaps the world.

God has already won and has told us what is to come. We need to be more concerned with our own behavior than what others are doing. Witnessing with the Truth of the Good News and setting good examples are probably the best we can do. We are incapable of defeating evil - that's His job. We can only do our best to resist Evil in our own lives and lean on Christ as He intended.

[Clemenza]

Most of the states that have legalized gay marriage have done so either via the legislature or in the case of three states, via referendum. I do believe that it will be nationalized by the courts, however.

[Clemenza]

The Gates of Hollywood have.

[Mrs. Don-o]

We've already lost the battle against the Out and Proud Anal-Americans?

Oh, rubbish. Are you going to stand there waving your little white hankie and saying, "I have not yet begun to fight--- and deary me, I'm not going to, either!"?

This isn't the honorable OR dishonorable end of the battle: this is just a preemptive surrender.

Most of us have NOT so much as

• sent one letter to the editor about the cultural and spiritual rot of active homosexuality ...
• we have not fasted ---
• we have not prayed our hearts out in front of the Blessed Sacrament ---
• we have not sent a measly dollar to the National Organization for Marriage
• or even signed the Manhattan Statement at their website--
• we have not talked to our children or grandchildren, our neices or nephews about it
• we have not counter-demonstrated against a Sodomy Pride parade
• we've not met with our pastors and encouraged them to preach on this
• we've not been fined or imprisoned---
• nor have we encouraged those who HAVE been (florists and bakers and caterers and event-planners who refused to support gay marriage);
• no one has so much as smacked you in the nose for being a known opponent of perversion.

We've done NOTHING but wring our hands and say, "Oh, we lost the race" when we haven't even gotten off the starting block.

They're coming for our children's bodies and souls, and we're bending over and saying, "Schtup me."

Please. No more.

Man up and fight.

[HiTech RedNeck]

This is very accurate.

I think the cornerstone of addressing this will be in blazing a faith trail for people finding themselves in homosexuality but who want something better instead. Thanks to the loud mouths, a lying spell has been cast over the country that this is impossible. Now even secular counselors who have stuck to their guns have proven it’s NOT impossible. The wonderful people at www.NARTH.com. But when the power of God is called upon, frank miracles can be seen to happen over and above what secular psychology can help.

Get rid of the excuse, and the support for this kind of sinning will collapse. Ex-gays need to come out of the closet, and Christendom needs to stop being squeamish about the issues that are encountered as gays become ex-gays. It will actually need to talk about sex. In public.

[HiTech RedNeck]

... and yes, evangelicals and Catholics (and Orthodox for that matter) will differ on some methodologies. But from what I have observed, I am beyond persuaded that all may successfully call upon the same Christ, and that it is Christ that brings the blessings and makes the blessings flow. Christ died on one cross for all, not on three of them.

Let’s pray to the Lord and then see if there is an erring brother or sister that we can guide, in some manner, back to the truth and healing power of the Lord. That is the manner of Christ.

[steve86]

Rubbish to you, too.

First, I am a lot more likely to head out with a shotgun than a white flag.

Second, you are conflating "surrender" with acceptance of reality. I have accepted reality. The reality is that queer 'marriage' and its concomitant harassment of straights (e.g. Arlene's Flower Shop One mile from me) is LAW in my state -- it's not going back, short of major societal upheaval (war; natural disaster). Anyone who thinks it is is delusional. State after state is falling, with or without the concurrence of the voters.

Third, you have no idea of what I have done to "fight". This would include personally escaping from police pursuit after a certain "protest", and letters to the editor, and being harshly sanctioned at work for putting up a pro-family poster, etc., etc. The other people you're addressing probably have done similar things (excepting maybe, the pursuit). And, of course, the prayers. Lots of prayers, every day.

Finally, and most importantly, many of you refuse to believe that we are in the end times. The country, society, world, have been given over to the devil for a period of time. You can't change this, overall. Prayer and personal persuasion can still change an individual outcome (e.g. a woman considering going for an abortion), but to rid the country of evil -- or to go back to "normal" times -- isn't going to happen any time soon.

And my pastor already preaches against faggotry, but thanks for the suggestion. And my kids/grandkids have heard all about the issue, and probably wish I'd shut up about it.

They're coming for our children's bodies and souls, and we're bending over and saying, "Schtup me." Please. No more. Man up and fight.

This part is too asinine. I'm not going to respond to it.

[steve86]

Witnessing with the Truth of the Good News and setting good examples are probably the best we can do. We are incapable of defeating evil - that's His job. We can only do our best to resist Evil in our own lives and lean on Christ as He intended.

Agree with all of that. And add lots of prayer.

[steve86]

WE’VE LOST WHEN THIS KIND OF STUFF HAPPENS. But the part about broken-up “couples” getting married without their consent is funny!

Domestic Partnerships to Become Marriage in Washington State in June

Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 2:18 PM EST Updated: Monday, February 17, 2014 2:18 PM EST

SEATTLE, WA - Washington state plans to convert thousands of same-sex partners into married couples on June 30, if they haven’t gotten married on their own or dissolved their union by then.

This change is the final piece of the state’s same-sex marriage law.

But it’s a provision many couples are unaware of and some may not even like. Some couples may have broken up years ago and are now married - illegally - to other people. Some live in other states where their partnerships are not recognized and dissolution is not possible.

By mid-to-late March, the Secretary of State’s Office plans to send out notices to those in the domestic-partnership registry, alerting them to the pending change.

As of Friday, an estimated 6,500 same-sex couples remained in the state registry.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Nope, you have waved the cheese eating surrender flag.

It is you who are spouting the rubbish.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Setback, yes.

Loss... well that’s between you and God.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Nobody expects that “Christians are going to save the whole world.”

Some will refuse.

However if the will to answer the call for harvesters is there, we could see something astoundingly good.

You are conflating being unable to save the whole world with being unable to be a part of a remarkable revival.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Thank you.

[TwelveOfTwenty]

We've done NOTHING but wring our hands and say, "Oh, we lost the race" when we haven't even gotten off the starting block.

Some of us are boycotting, to the best of our ability, the companies that promote this and other leftists causes. I recently did so at the expense of my beliefs in buying American while making a major purchase. That left me with some buyer's remorse, but seeing what I avoided supporting helped me get over it.

We can't out vote the entitlement crowd, but we still have one weapon, and that's our $$$. Do we still have the will to use it?

[Mrs. Don-o]

Amen to that. I try to vote with my dollar whenever I can.

[Army Air Corps]

Amen, brother.

[highball]

You make excellent points.

To which I can only add that we face many more political fights in the near future, fights we may also lose if we refuse to learn from our failures. If we are strong enough to take an honest look at where we lost this one (even to admit that), we might be better prepared for the next.

[trebb]

We've already lost the battle against the Out and Proud Anal-Americans? Oh, rubbish. Are you going to stand there waving your little white hankie and saying, "I have not yet begun to fight--- and deary me, I'm not going to, either!"? This isn't the honorable OR dishonorable end of the battle: this is just a preemptive surrender. Most of us have NOT so much as sent one letter to the editor about the cultural and spiritual rot of active homosexuality ... we have not fasted --- we have not prayed our hearts out in front of the Blessed Sacrament --- we have not sent a measly dollar to the National Organization for Marriage or even signed the Manhattan Statement at their website-- we have not talked to our children or grandchildren, our neices or nephews about it we have not counter-demonstrated against a Sodomy Pride parade we've not met with our pastors and encouraged them to preach on this we've not been fined or imprisoned--- nor have we encouraged those who HAVE been (florists and bakers and caterers and event-planners who refused to support gay marriage); no one has so much as smacked you in the nose for being a known opponent of perversion. We've done NOTHING but wring our hands and say, "Oh, we lost the race" when we haven't even gotten off the starting block. They're coming for our children's bodies and souls, and we're bending over and saying, "Schtup me." Please. No more. Man up and fight.

Read the Bible and listen to God/Jesus/the Apostles. We will not win that fight - God has won it. I vote and I speak of Biblical Truths to try to carry the Word. I do my best to love and trust in Jesus and to allow Him to do the final justice. I don't bend over and say "Schtup me" and relinquish my children to the evil - I tell them the good news of the New Covenant and teach them what is right and wrong. I tell them to bolster their own relationship with Christ and to do their best to resist the temptations of the Evil One. I tell them that when temptation wins, to redouble their efforts and turn back to Jesus and beg Him to help them resist evil - as many times as it takes.

What would you consider a plan to do what God said He would do and maybe make it so He doesn't have to send Jesus back to do it? Of course, that would make Him a liar and the Bible irrelevant because He has already told us of the cesspool the world will become. he said it and we can't stop it - we can tend to our own relationships and teach others so they can develop their relationships. We can vote against evil when we are i n position to do so, but we will not defeat it - it has been prophesied and I believe the prophesy.

Please enlighten me of a plan that you think would erase the evil that the Evil One visits upon his realm. What do your spiritual leaders/priests/pastors/bishops/popes say you should do to defeat evil? I'm all ears.

[trebb]

Thank you - some of the zealots don't seem to believe that which their religion is supposed to be based on. God has spoken at it will be. I believe that they are unwittingly abetting Satan by spending so much time flailing at the evil they cannot conquer that they fail to spread the Word of the Gospel. I too fall into the trap, but fortunately, I have those around me to point out that He is in charge. My pastor simply says that homosexuality is called a sin in the Bible - it's here to stay until Jesus sets things right and we can arm ourselves against it on a personal level by following the Word and teaching our kids.

God Bless

[Mrs. Don-o]

I like everything that says Fight and Resist.

1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of the faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you

1 Peter 5:8-10
Be sober, be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experience of suffering is required of your brotherhood throughout the world. And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, establish, and strengthen you.

The point is not that we will win the final victory, expel the Devil, and redeem the world by our own virtue or our own strategy. Far from it. Jesus Christ is our Redeemer. His is the victory.

We shouldn't go around announcing defeat, repeating "It's useless, give up, give in," as those who follow the Beast will say, according to Revelation:

Revelation 13:4
Men worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”

No. Let's not give up. Trust God. Resist and fight.